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We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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Each time I see one of these stories pop up, I'm hoping that the lawyer for the Apple Antitrust case is making a note to include these testimonials as evidence of a problem.

I can see the plaintiffs argument. Apple wouldn’t allow an app that spied on users and sold analytics.

This is about how anti virus makers threaten to sue MS because they wouldn’t allow the right hooks into the OS that destabilized it.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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This story has been repeated time and again. There is even a term, 'getting Sherlocked'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_(software)#Sherlocked...

The damning part to me is not so much that Apple copied it, but that they copied it, then removed their competitor from the app store.

Put a different way, they temporarily allowed this horrifically implemented app until they had a first party solution which wasn't a privacy dumpster-fire.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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That plus they are talking about extrapolated "revenue". They didn't mention what the server costs were for having to handle the traffic of that many users. Server costs for such would be pretty high. Also other operating costs, development costs etc. Revenue doesn't matter, profit does.

Why would there be server costs for an app that tracks local app usage on the phone?

It didn't actually directly track app usage locally, it tunneled all traffic through a VPN and tracked usage by monitoring network connections.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That plus they are talking about extrapolated "revenue". They didn't mention what the server costs were for having to handle the traffic of that many users. Server costs for such would be pretty high. Also other operating costs, development costs etc. Revenue doesn't matter, profit does.

I guess you aren't native english speaker. As a french speaker, I got bitten by it in the past. Revenu is the total income, you have probably profit in mind.

There are so many false friends with French and English. I really don't have the heart to tell my colleagues in France that 'Unicity' - which they named a whole big project after - isn't a word...

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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Honestly so am I, this sounds like a privacy nightmare. Sending all traffic through their servers specifically for the purpose of tracking what you're doing. Isn't this one of the things Apple was upset at Facebook over (including the fact that they went around the App Store) since they don't allow this sort of tracking? So maybe them building the feature is not the only reason they removed your app?

What is Apple’s app for tracking social network activity?

Screen time, it's in the settings app.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That plus they are talking about extrapolated "revenue". They didn't mention what the server costs were for having to handle the traffic of that many users. Server costs for such would be pretty high. Also other operating costs, development costs etc. Revenue doesn't matter, profit does.

Why would there be server costs for an app that tracks local app usage on the phone?

Apps on iOS are sandboxed so no app has access to usage of other apps. They got around it by using a pretty forceful workaround of using VPNs to tunnel the data. The way they were tracking the app usage data was by making the user install a VPN profile so all the device's network traffic would be tunnelled through the developer's VPN servers. On the server, they would be able to track each network traffic and measure the device's app usage. Therefore the server cost which I am sure have to be very huge. Also a HUGE privacy and security issue. Apple was right to take these down as they were also against the app store guidelines for usage of MDM profiles for the wrong reasons.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That plus they are talking about extrapolated "revenue". They didn't mention what the server costs were for having to handle the traffic of that many users. Server costs for such would be pretty high. Also other operating costs, development costs etc. Revenue doesn't matter, profit does.

I guess you aren't native english speaker. As a french speaker, I got bitten by it in the past. Revenu is the total income, you have probably profit in mind.

Yes - the comment you are replying to is making the point that revenue may be $500,000 (extrapolated) but if server costs are $1,000,000 then the app is losing money, not making money.

I see this trend quite frequently, only mentioning revenue but leaving out costs.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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This is the story of almost every other indie App developer with a good app idea/implementation , either you will be bought or destroyed. (or rake in millions when you can to sustain for few more months)

You can also become Instagram, WhatsApp or one of the many other multi billion dollar companies.

Or does that not fit your narrative ?

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