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Google Is Taking Charge of the RCS Rollout

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Re: Google Is Taking Charge of the RCS Rollout

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Post by dx034 »

dimator wrote: post #54
Barrin92 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

facebook doesn't store your (sent) whatsapp messages, and in contrast to sms they're by default encrypted. "Your Messages. We do not retain your messages in the ordinary course of providing our Services to you. Once your messages (including your chats, photos, videos, voice messages, files, and share location information) are delivered, they are deleted from our servers. Your messages are stored on your own device. I…

Except it's a matter of record that Zuckerberg is intent on undoing e2ee in whatsapp, and increasing ads[1]. you can't inject ads unless you're scanning the texts. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/whatsapp-fou...

You can provide ads based on metadata alone, no need for message contents.

Re: Google Is Taking Charge of the RCS Rollout

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Post by stock_toaster »

dmitrygr wrote: post #2

RCS solves NONE of the problems that need solving, and only gives carriers another thing to charge for. Specifically: * the spec is very very complex, and most parts are optional, so no two phones/carriers/manufacturers/OS versions will ever agree on anything but the basic minimal set of features. * there is no specification for end-to-end encryption, and even if there were, it would be optional (as noted above) * RC…

And who knows how long until Google gives up on this tech and comes out with something different anyway. I give it 2 years max.

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Post by prasanthv »

earenndil wrote: post #49
dRaBoQ wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in China. Its WeChat all the way, even when they live and work abroad.

Yep. It's quite clever, actually: chinese people come to other countries, they use wechat, they make friends, their friends want to communicate with them so they start using wechat. It's penetrating other markets that way, slowly but surely.

Don’t forget China can also see what you’re typing in wechat, really boggles my mind people continue to use that. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/07/wechat-chinese...

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Post by oblio »

earenndil wrote: post #49
dRaBoQ wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in China. Its WeChat all the way, even when they live and work abroad.

Yep. It's quite clever, actually: chinese people come to other countries, they use wechat, they make friends, their friends want to communicate with them so they start using wechat. It's penetrating other markets that way, slowly but surely.

Very slowly, in that case. If you're the only 1 using a messaging service, you're super likely to switch to another one, or just use several.

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Post by jrvxo »

Kiro wrote: post #56
themacguffinman wrote: post #13

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The EU would take them to court before the rollout was finished.

How is it different from iMessage?

iPhone is far away from a monopoly in Europe--in fact I can't think of anybody who uses iMessage at all, and I own an iPhone myself.

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Post by keyserzose »

tallanvor wrote: post #58
kilroy123 wrote: post #4

The whole world has already moved beyond texting. It's called WhatsApp. I'm from the US but I've lived abroad the last four years. I'm still surprised so many people "back home" continue to use SMS texting. Everyone I know around the world uses WhatsApp. Literally, in every single continent I know and chat with people on WhatsApp. Only Americans still use SMS from what I've seen. I just don't get it.

I'm not in the US, and I stopped using WhatsApp for several reasons. It doesn't provide me any benefits over SMS (people still need to know your phone number, for example, and if they change phone numbers, there's the whole game of figuring out who is messaging you). Not that many people I communicate with regularly really cared if we used it or another communications method either. It is one more app draining my pho…

WhatsApp tells you when someone changes it’s phone number.

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Post by koenvdb »

tallanvor wrote: post #58
kilroy123 wrote: post #4

The whole world has already moved beyond texting. It's called WhatsApp. I'm from the US but I've lived abroad the last four years. I'm still surprised so many people "back home" continue to use SMS texting. Everyone I know around the world uses WhatsApp. Literally, in every single continent I know and chat with people on WhatsApp. Only Americans still use SMS from what I've seen. I just don't get it.

I'm not in the US, and I stopped using WhatsApp for several reasons. It doesn't provide me any benefits over SMS (people still need to know your phone number, for example, and if they change phone numbers, there's the whole game of figuring out who is messaging you). Not that many people I communicate with regularly really cared if we used it or another communications method either. It is one more app draining my pho…

But then you're a mainstream consumer. Most people use WhatsApp because they want to send pictures/videos/voice memo's which isn't possible over SMS. So it does provide benefits for most users.

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Post by akvadrako »

kilroy123 wrote: post #4

The whole world has already moved beyond texting. It's called WhatsApp. I'm from the US but I've lived abroad the last four years. I'm still surprised so many people "back home" continue to use SMS texting. Everyone I know around the world uses WhatsApp. Literally, in every single continent I know and chat with people on WhatsApp. Only Americans still use SMS from what I've seen. I just don't get it.

That's really stupid. Whatsapp is proprietary and controlled by a single giant corporation. I refuse to use it even though everyone I know has it.

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Post by akvadrako »

handzbagz1 wrote: post #12
Vrondi wrote: post #7

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Why would we want to move from SMS to a situation where Facebook ALSO has a copy of every message we send? Not an improvement.

But Facebook doesn't have a copy of any message you send.

They do, it's just encrypted. But they still know when you sent it, to whom, how large it was, and the cadence of typing notifications, among other things.
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