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Oberlin College case shows how universities are losing their way

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Re: Oberlin College case shows how universities are losing their way

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Post by dang »

thatoneuser wrote: post #43

Good. There are far too many sitting comfortably in their ivory towers these days indoctrinating kids turning into adults as their personal army. There's too much hatred of certain races/genders (typically from what I see its white/men, but by no means are those two groups the only ones who are victims) that gets ignored. Many years ago (tho not that many) blacks would have their businesses routinely ransacked, prote…

The downvotes are more likely because of the fiery rhetoric in your comment. It's tedious, and there's far too much of it online. People come to HN to be interested, not blared at.

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Post by analog31 »

odiroot wrote: post #57
grellas wrote: post #14

A bit more factual context: 1. The student "protests" erupted the day after the 2016 election results came in, with a corresponding politically inflammatory element at work in the background. 2. The underlying incident involved an underaged black student who attempted to buy a bottle of wine, was refused, and was then found to have 2 other bottles under his coat as he walked out. When the owner's son chased him out,…

How are these people not in jail for kicking a man on the ground? On top of theft at that.

Possibly, a plea bargain. Plead guilty to X and we won't charge you with Y. It could also just be leniency towards a first offender, independent of the issue of the protests.

Re: Oberlin College case shows how universities are losing their way

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Post by dang »

thatoneuser wrote: post #55

There wasn't just a demonstration (tho even that would be overdone considering the kid was shoplifting wine - which is a crime and it's not like he was just trying to get some food to survive.) This was deliberate and repeated attempts to libel a store owner out of business or into inane submission. Imagine if your family owned and operated a business for over 100 years, only for it to be dismantled because you right…

> Sounds like you have been indoctrinated by the same hate

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Post by Nasrudith »

User23 wrote: post #41
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is all for fairness and equality but, as is becoming increasingly clear, "social justice" as a movement has little, if anything, to do with actual fairness or equality. Oberlin College's misbehavior may be at the extremum but it is far from the only example of this. Even on as pro-left a site as HN, people are realizing that this movement is more of a problem than a force for good and that one can be a liber…

SJWism is a revanchist ideology and posture and as such it will never lead to anything other than negative sum outcomes. Since the readership here is well above average in intelligence, it’s unsurprising that a destructive ideology is met with some skepticism. Edit: Why on earth is this flagged? The article we're discussing is exactly a negative sum outcome.

I'll bite - how the hell can it be revanchist in even the worst sorts of strawman? Revanchism is an ideology about reclaiming all territorial losses. The always negative outcome claim is questionable - even considering that it in order for it to be successful by definition they need overwhelming might to reclaim to hold it and it will impair peace for lesser processes. If massively and hopelessly overpowered like say a hypothetical small subset of radicals in the Cherokee Nation proposing to annex large sections of the United States it can pretty safely be declared 'long lost cause'.

That isn't really applicable to anything "Social Justice" - even metaphorically. The closest thing for revauncism would be found in white supremacists and chauvinists who believe they should have complete domain over society by being sole holders of rights or 'rights' over other people.

And even then that is a metaphor confused and stretched so thin that it is akin to thinking all alcohol should be kept far away from national borders for fear that if spilled it could erase the lines because it could do so to ink on a map.

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Post by dang »

daodedickinson wrote: post #16

Oberlin is teaching textbook racially-organized crime, as seen thousands of years ago in Greece and earlier still elsewhere. Next time, they will have the judge and the jury and will win.

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Post by clairity »

InTheArena wrote: post #27
clairity wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

interesting. opposition to "social justice" signals an opposition to fairness and equality, and theoretically should be rare. i wonder if it's the strain of opposition that sees it as zero-sum and resists (i.e., "if things get fairer for the disadvantaged, then i, as an advantaged person, must necessarily lose something")? or the strain that resists social normalization (e.g., i should be free to offend and belittle…

There is a form of the SJW movement that eschews “Liberalism” as basically being nothing more then the representation of the power of the oppressor rather then being a bedrock set of principles necessary for democracy and civil society. They have been vocal in demanding that those that would impress by any means (including speech) be suppressed and de-platformed or “canceled“. The systems that protect viewpoints that…

most people would agree that authoritarianism is bad, and it's infections are certainly not bounded by the limits of one political party or one poltical ideology.

so why not peel apart oppressive behavior from social justice and just denounce that by itself? why does it need to be lumped in with social justice?

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Post by Chazprime »

pessimizer wrote: post #51

It's strange that stories from the progressive end of this discussion get (often rightfully) flagged into oblivion in seconds, but this conservative campus panic story survives to 45 comments.

I'm not sure what qualifies this as a "conservative" story. This is a human interest story concerning people who were quite clearly harmed because of this school's actions.

To me, that takes precedence over partisan politics. And it's not like this is Tucker Carlson reporting on Fox News, this from is a pretty respected, left-leaning site.

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analog31 wrote: post #62
odiroot wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are these people not in jail for kicking a man on the ground? On top of theft at that.

Possibly, a plea bargain. Plead guilty to X and we won't charge you with Y. It could also just be leniency towards a first offender, independent of the issue of the protests.

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