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Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by thrower123 »

I do not care, despite the constant barrages from the ethical vegetarians and the climate-alarmist vegetarians, and the Beyond Meat investors.

First off, steak and bacon and pork taste delicious, and life on rabbit food is not, in my opinion, worth living.

Second of all, the only way that I can maintain anything close to what the literature says should be a healthy weight is when I slash grains out of my diet and eat low carb, high fat, supplemented by green vegetables. Any vegetarian diet's benefits pale in comparison to the threat of diabetes and general wear and tear from carrying extra weight around.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by ShlomoS »

cageface wrote: post #37
adrianN wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nutritional science, so the error bars are big, the effect sizes are small and the confounding variables numerous. At least a plant-based diet reduces your GHG footprint, so there's that. If you want to switch to a more carnivorous diet, I'd suggest chicken instead of beef. The evidence for mammalian meat being slightly carcinogenic seems to be pretty solid, and the climate impact of beef is about ten times that…

Chicken is one of the most inflammatory things you can eat. It’s loaded with arachidonic acid. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6428879/

It is far from "loaded". 0.15g per serving is not "loaded", and is half the level of salmon for example, which is promoted as healthy. Omega 6 polyunsaturated fats are highly inflammatory. But our intake is almost entirely from "vegetable oil", not chicken.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by leereeves »

jsjolen wrote: post #38
drchewbacca wrote: post #18

I think the longevity of dietary advice is pretty low. Remember when eggs were the enemy, when fat was the enemy, when carbs were the enemy? Meat had to have it's turn sometime.

Perhaps we can judge the statements on the evidence behind them? The reason that processed meat (that is meats which are smoked, salted, etc.) is recommended to not be eaten is because it has been shown to be carcinogenic. The egg thing is based on the idea (I actually don't know enough to know if this is correct or not) that dietary cholesterol intake affects blood cholesterol levels, and eggs have a bit of dietary…

Perhaps the media should stay quiet until the research is done.

And any science news headline containing the word "may" should probably be ignored. That's a good sign that they're exaggerating a single study. The media makes money by sensationalizing research, not reporting it accurately.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by matteuan »

Down_n_Out wrote: post #10
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #2

Regarding processed meat, what part of the processing makes the meat unhealthy? Or is it something related to how processed meat is often consumed vs unprocessed meat?

Not to speak about the amount of antibiotics in meat probably [1][2][3] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/opinion/antibiotics-and-t... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/05/most-... [3] https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/06/antibiotics-are-...

The problem are not the antibiotics in meat but bacteria resistant to them because of their use/abuse.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by theNewMicrosoft »

cageface wrote: post #40
hartator wrote: post #6

I wonder how true this is. I have been trying to switch to a more carnivore diet - more red meat eg steak - for rumored benefits of lowering inflammation and boosting immune system. This is stating the reverse.

Animal protein is highly inflammatory. This is about the worst thing you can do if you are concerned about inflammation. Load up on fresh vegetables and fruits instead.

>Animal protein is highly inflammatory. This is about the worst thing you can do if you are concerned about inflammation.

But not the worst thing you can do if you are concerned about having a healthy heart[1]

[1] https://asunow.asu.edu/20170317-discoveries-despite-meat-hea...

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by hutzlibu »

jamil7 wrote: post #41
hutzlibu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably none, most want to hear about, if there is something to it. They struggled hard to replace their meat with soy and extracted proteins and yeast from wherever .. it must be good. I just really believe, that for the most part my body knows the best whats good for him. I just have to really pay attention. So sugar might taste good, but my body does not feel good, when eating too much of it. Meat is good, but on…

> Probably none, most want to hear about, if there is something to it. They struggled hard to replace their meat with soy and extracted proteins and yeast from wherever .. it must be good. I already addressed the first part in another comment in this thread. I wanted to point out that the "protein" argument is dated and uninformed. Protein is everywhere, grains, nuts, seeds and vegetables. It does not need to be "ext…

Yes, but most converted vegans and vegetarians really struggle to replace meat tastewise. Thats why the big "extracted" market.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by msiyer »

I said the same thing in a previous HN discussion and my comment was down voted into oblivion. Many Asian cultures had this thing figured out thousands of years ago. Less or no meat. Many famous martial arts schools (Indian, Chinese and Japanese) are totally vegetarian. So, the argument that meat is needed for extreme physical activity goes out of the window. Almost all Asian monks (Buddhist, Jain or Hindu) are vegetarians. So, the argument that meat is needed for better mental\intellectual health also goes out the window.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by cageface »

ShlomoS wrote: post #47
cageface wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Animal protein is highly inflammatory. This is about the worst thing you can do if you are concerned about inflammation. Load up on fresh vegetables and fruits instead.

>Animal protein is highly inflammatory What is the basis for this belief? >Load up on fresh vegetables and fruits instead. Many fresh vegetables are inflammatory. Plants evolved chemicals to hinder herbation. Roots/tubers and fruit are generally fine, but leaves/stems/flowers are generally full of inflammatory anti-nutrients and should be cooked.

Not true.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/foods-that-fi...

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by jamil7 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #66
jamil7 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Probably none, most want to hear about, if there is something to it. They struggled hard to replace their meat with soy and extracted proteins and yeast from wherever .. it must be good. I already addressed the first part in another comment in this thread. I wanted to point out that the "protein" argument is dated and uninformed. Protein is everywhere, grains, nuts, seeds and vegetables. It does not need to be "ext…

Yes, but most converted vegans and vegetarians really struggle to replace meat tastewise. Thats why the big "extracted" market.

You're right, it is often used by new vegans or vegetarians taste wise but nutritionally it isn't needed.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by matthewmacleod »

ianai wrote: post #60
matthewmacleod wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a mis-use. Bacon is absolutely a processed meat. “Microwave ready meals” are typically just pre-cooked meals prepared for reheating - they’re probably not the best meals in terms of ingredient quality or cooking methods, and low-quality ones might have some plant starches as filler, but most of them are pretty straightforward.

Anything prepared for the microwave like that is high in sodium. We’re talking over a days worth of sodium all at once. Very far from healthy. Actually, most meat nowadays is injected with huge amounts of sodium. It’s like we’re all eating log term storage foods-even that raw meats.

Of course there exist low-quality or over-salted meals.

But I just took a look in my freezer at two bog-standard ready meals I have there just in case - macaroni and cheese, and a beef lasagne. They’re each about 1.5g of salt, and there’s nothing notable about the ingredients.

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