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Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by seieste »

This seems to be a way for Google to make revenue from news sites and is a clear abuse of monopoly power. When I click on an AMP news link, I see a “carousel” at the top that shows multiple news articles. I can go to various articles on a topic by swiping left or right, all without going back to the news site.

But now that Google has removed the link to visit the site, it is clear they don’t want you to visit the actual news site but do everything through Google.

This means that only the Google ad network will be allowed, so they stand to benefit from this arrangement, and news sites can have no hope of receiving any traffic.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by bitL »

heinrich5991 wrote: post #54
bitL wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is fun now; start Tor, try to visit a soon-to-be-banned sub-reddit, enjoy Tor's tracking notifications not present on normal reddit sub-reddits. Looks like reddit is turning into one large honeypot.

I don't understand, can you elaborate? What are Tor's tracking notifications?

Just do what I said and observe Tor browser.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by dmitriid »

jefftk wrote: post #52
firasd wrote: post #28

When AMP was introduced I assumed the actual content would be loaded from the canonical URL anyway. This whole in-between caching layer G introduced is very weird. Also, I think what AMP was pitted against--Facebook instant articles--no longer exists, or at least doesn't particularly matter (now that FB is several pivots beyond the whole 'newsfeed is full of articles' stage).

One way to think of AMP is as a solution to "When people click on links from search the pages often load very slowly. Can we make this instant?" Any preloading based solution has to involve caching, because otherwise sites could learn that they had shown up in your search results without you having clicked on then. (Disclosure: I work at Google, not on AMP, and I'm only speaking for myself)

It was an answer to Facebook's Instant Articles, and nothing else. As a response to Instant Articles it's intent was to bend publishers to the company's will and create a tightly controlled walled garden.

Everything else is the result of that original decision. And the continuous apologetics for the myriad bad and malignant decisions are the direct result of that decision.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by seieste »

krn wrote: post #19

The AMP links to visit the original site are working fine for me on Brave (based on Chromium) on Android: clicking on the "(i)" icon shows the URL. The easiest way to to get rid of all AMP pages in Google search results is to disable javascript on www.google.com/*.

I don’t think you can disable AMP if you’re not signed in.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by eska »

When I attended the Drupal Europe 2018 conference I had the opportunity to talk to Barb Palser of the AMP global relations team. I asked her in an intentionally innocent way: "I thought AMP is supposed to replace RSS, but from the presentation it seems like it's trying to be a better HTML?" to which she replied yes. I acted all optimistic, so she wouldn't be defensive, but this conversation sent chills down my spine and I remember it to this day.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by logicallee »

dmitriid wrote: post #51
OskarS wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on HN defend AMP. We all hate it. It's a pox on the modern web.

> I don't think I've ever seen anyone on HN defend AMP I present to you AMP tech lead: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=cramforce

Haha, even they:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16171735

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by michaelmior »

graeme wrote: post #42

AMP links are a major reason I switched to duckduckgo on mobile. Google seems to be shortsighted in doing this. Yes, only a tiny minority of technical users will know what amp pages are and switch search engines to avoid them. But, a larger group will likely find the amp pages annoying , even if they can't precisely articulate why. This weakens google's hold on the market.

Why do you think a larger group will find AMP annoying? I know I'm in the minority, but I generally like AMP in my search results.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by bmn__ »

xupybd wrote: post #37

Just came to say I hate amp. If I want to go to a site I want that site not a google cache of it. It’s not a better experience. It just means another click to get to where I was going. Stop the madness Google kill amp.

"Redirect AMP to HTML" https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/amp2html/

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by michaelmior »

shakna wrote: post #59
gatherhunterer wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know they have not proposed a replacement, only an intention to come up with one.

They've proposed the 'portal' element in the last month [0] to replace the link with something... Different... Haven't they? [0] https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-launches-portals-a-new-...

Portal is moreso an alternative to iframes than an alternative to links. But it's true that it could very well make it more likely for a portal to another site to be included in a page rather than using a link.
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