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Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by avian » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 7:47 AM UTC

Yajirobe wrote: post #54

pravj wrote: post #43

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Neat! check out Google's Quick Draw [1] where you need to draw a given object in 20 seconds and a neural network will recognize what you're drawing. [1] https://quickdraw.withgoogle.com/

I mean it literally asks you to draw the thing to be recognized. It would be more impressive if you were to draw freely and the neural network would recognize whatever you drew.

That game wouldn't generate labeled training data for their machine vision algorithms, which I'm sure is the whole point.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by stareatgoats » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:07 AM UTC

spectramax wrote: post #37

rocky1138 wrote: post #34

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You know, I was just thinking that HN is truly the last site on the web left where something cool like this would be at the top of a list, like something Jerry and David's Guide to the World Wide Web would have on it. I'm so glad we still have this place.

I’ve been here for a while and I am seeing it erode slowly.

> a while

3 months is not enough to go by.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by anbop » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:22 AM UTC

There’s a lot of “draw the rest of the fucking owl” here. For actual step by step instructions for drawing dunces, look at Ed Emberley.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by croo » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:27 AM UTC

headsoup wrote: post #46

croo wrote: post #38

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Yes, you are gatekeeping. My kid asked me to draw a boar and it turned into a dolphin with legs. This is just what I need :)

Well you might as well just show your kid the picture in the book then... You will have many more memorable an enjoyable moments with your kid if you make more walking dolphins rather than just copy pictures :)

Don't worry I'm not that good at copying, it will still be ugly. But I definetly want to upgrade my animal drawing skills to the next level... from zero to one :)

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by sgentle » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:38 AM UTC

wirrbel wrote: post #58

singlow wrote: post #30

If you, like I did, wish to have all the pages as a single pdf, I grabbed them all and made one [1]. (I just googled and found a simple site to share it on, so if it doesn't work or you have a better suggestion let me know.) [1] https://docdro.id/FFIBIrU

Thanks for posting this. On the last pages it is said to be licensed under Creative Comments Share alike. I'd assume that the content might still be copyright protected by the original creator? So I don't think that anyone can relicense it as simple as that. I don't have a moral problem appropriating content that has been published 90 years ago. I don't think it is appropriate to assign it a Commons license though.

The cc-by-sa note in the pdf is presumably because that is the copyright listed on Commons and Flickr.

However, the original work appears to be in the public domain. R & L Lambry were a father (Léon) and son (Robert) who died in 1940 and 1934, respectively. French copyright, as in all of the EU, lasts for the life of the author + 70 years.

I found this fairly interesting bibliography of the Lambrys: http://nouvellesuzette.canalblog.com/archives/2010/05/13/179...

And confirmed with this information from the French national library:

https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb32342632r

https://data.bnf.fr/10863941/leon_lambry/

https://data.bnf.fr/16969919/robert_lambry/

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by croo » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:44 AM UTC

headsoup wrote: post #51

smackay wrote: post #50

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When drawing or making things for your kids the drawing or model is the least important thing in the entire process. It's the act and the engagement itself that is the most prized. It works in reverse too.

Exactly, it encourages curiosity and conversation. Drawing is really interesting in how directly and obviously it makes people feel like a amateur when otherwise experienced and knowledgeable in many areas, and how people generally expect they should be better than they are at it because it 'seems' easy.

Drawing IS easy with a little practice and a few tricks. Same way as playing on a guitar is easy with a little practice and a few tricks. Of course you won't become a next Antoine Dufour unless you train hard from year 3 but who the hell cares. Tricks are enough for the rest of us.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by fileeditview » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:59 AM UTC

spectramax wrote: post #24

The fundamental issue that is hardly addressed in drawing by shape recognition is that it gets the proportion right but fails to teach the inherent "3D" structure of the animal. The litmus test for drawing is to ask someone to draw an animal. If they can, great. Follow up and see if that draw the same thing but now in isometric view or from an arbitrary viewpoint/perspective. Imagine if you have a camera with various…

Did you by any chance read "Figure Drawing" by Andrew Loomis? He focuses a lot on anatomy in this book. It may be to your liking.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by goto11 » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:10 AM UTC

miguelmota wrote: post #14

matt-attack wrote: post #2

This is literally a meme [1]. [1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/how-to-draw-an-owl

True, the peacock example is very like the owl meme https://live.staticflickr.com/3549/3546657319_57861e46ff_b.j...

Not really. If you get the basic shapes and angles down, drawing the plumes is easy. Just try it! A funny thing about drawing is that some things which look simple is hard, and some things which looks impressive is really easy. Shapes, proportions, movement and perspective is generally hard. Textures, patterns, tones and shadows is relatively easy since you are just "filling in".

In the owl meme, some of the hard things (like getting the perspective and angles of the eyes and face correct) is glossed over.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by hbbio » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:10 AM UTC

Note that the works seem to be in the Public Domain, since the author died in 1934 and the copyright law is 70 years after death in France. However, there is a co-author but no information is available on her/him which might extend the copyright duration.

Another argument for public domain is someone translated it to English and plans to sell it (at least on Amazon): https://www.amazon.co.uk/Draw-Animal-Book-Step-Step/dp/16315...

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Post by pasabagi » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:17 AM UTC

spectramax wrote: post #24

The fundamental issue that is hardly addressed in drawing by shape recognition is that it gets the proportion right but fails to teach the inherent "3D" structure of the animal. The litmus test for drawing is to ask someone to draw an animal. If they can, great. Follow up and see if that draw the same thing but now in isometric view or from an arbitrary viewpoint/perspective. Imagine if you have a camera with various…

Eh, depends what you're drawing. If you're doing anything except animation, or like, cartoons, you can just be really good at drawing by eye and that's enough.

Anatomy can distract you from what's actually going into your eyes. If you're doing oil painting, for instance, I think you'd be better off doing a bunch of interesting (glossy, translucent, refracting, etc) object studies.