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Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by Gatsky »

analog31 wrote: post #25

I was a grad student when the Tienanmen Square demonstrations happened. Chinese students in the US formed the backbone of a network that maintained communication with their compatriots in China. I personally think that welcoming international students and treating them with goodwill is good foreign policy.

In Australia, all Chinese students were allowed to stay if they so wished after Tiananmen, the Prime Minister at the time made it happen. I think that was a proud moment for Australia. Times have changed, immigration is now a particularly obscene political tool, as is climate change.

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Post by point78 »

nneonneo wrote: post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

Don't the majority of foreign PhD students return to their home countries when complete anyway?

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Post by pkaye »

hello_1234 wrote: post #31
macintux wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must admit to some confusion about why federally-funded cancer research results aren’t available to everyone.

It will only be available to everyone after it's patented and sold to a big pharma. All made possible by the great Bayh–Dole Act - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayh%E2%80%93Dole_Act

How does it work in the EU? Do they just give away without any patents?

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Post by yourbandsucks »

warmcat wrote: post #60
yourbandsucks wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If said research is developed and productized into something that works? Then we all benefit, cancer victims most notably. Hence the public funding of basic research.

Sure....Chinese government gets the money by selling the medicine without investing in the research. That's cheating. And you really think cancer patients will get benefits without paying for an arm and leg?

Why do you think the US government funds basic research?

Are you under the impression the Chinese don't also fund basic research? Or that it's a quick hop from basic research to a marketable, approved drug?

And why is this all about who profits rather than curing cancer?

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Post by jaggednad »

From a purely self-interested perspective, this is the dumbest thing the US could possibly do. There are talented people who want to leave China and come study and work in the US. We are basically stealing China’s best minds. Now we’re telling them they can’t come and shipping them back? I don’t think we should have conflict with China, but, if you are looking for conflict with China, sending brilliant minds back to them is so stupid that it’s almost unimaginable

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Post by cma »

warmcat wrote: post #28
macintux wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must admit to some confusion about why federally-funded cancer research results aren’t available to everyone.

Imagine getting funding in USA for research and sending the research and results back to China so they can patent it before. Who benefits then?

As opposed to a US spinoff company getting it and keeping all oversea profits offshore in Ireland etc. to avoid taxation?

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Post by fragmede »

point78 wrote: post #62
nneonneo wrote: post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

Don't the majority of foreign PhD students return to their home countries when complete anyway?

Yes - but not entirely by choice. Many a PhD student has returned home after earning their degree, because of the US's visa policies, which make it hard to stay after completing a degree. Why would they stay somewhere that doesn't want them?

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Post by the_svd_doctor »

point78 wrote: post #62
nneonneo wrote: post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

Don't the majority of foreign PhD students return to their home countries when complete anyway?

Many do because they can't stay.
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