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If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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1. There was an explosion (edit: two explosions) that began the incident which destroyed the reactor and ejected matter a significant distance. 2. Chernobyl, IIRC, isn't really so dangerous to visit but you should avoid eating or drinking anything in the exclusion zone. Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 will poison you from the inside out. The latter ends up bio-accumulating in bone.

IIRC the uptake rate of Cs-137 is about 10%. Meaning you only store about 10% of what you ingest. Also, we are SUPER safe when it comes to radiation. No chances. No ifs ands or buts. When it comes to dosage, rad workers already have several safety factors from what we can detect an increase risk of cancer, as it should be.

The sensitivity of our tools for detecting radiation never ceases to amaze me. In some ways it's a problem because most people don't understand just how good we are at detecting radiation. Like, not only can we find it in old bits of wood, we can find it so well that we can tell you whether that old bit of wood stopped gathering radioactive carbon from the atmosphere in 10,000 BCE or 10,300 BCE. We can measure how much radiation you get from the sun precisely enough to tell whether you're living on the first story or the second story of your apartment building. But we still get people freaking out about any headline with the word radiation in it. It's crazy.

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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It is worth noting that there is almost literally no mention of potential health impacts; almost all the outcomes listed in the answer are regulatory. On the one hand, that might be good regulation - we don't want workers getting harmed. On the other hand, it serves as ongoing evidence that getting worried because a situation exceeds regulatory standards is foolish. Given how little attention he gives it the "margina…

Heath impacts are literally the first thing mentioned. “probably nothing; certainly nothing obvious and immediate“

A grain of sand is extremely tiny and solid so it’s also got a very low surface area. Further, if it was suck in your lung you would get significant radiation to the same tissue, but in your digestive system food would act as a barrier while also pushing things along.

From a regulatory framework it’s enough to detect and be concerned about which is interesting.

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC the uptake rate of Cs-137 is about 10%. Meaning you only store about 10% of what you ingest. Also, we are SUPER safe when it comes to radiation. No chances. No ifs ands or buts. When it comes to dosage, rad workers already have several safety factors from what we can detect an increase risk of cancer, as it should be.

The sensitivity of our tools for detecting radiation never ceases to amaze me. In some ways it's a problem because most people don't understand just how good we are at detecting radiation. Like, not only can we find it in old bits of wood, we can find it so well that we can tell you whether that old bit of wood stopped gathering radioactive carbon from the atmosphere in 10,000 BCE or 10,300 BCE. We can measure how mu…

I think part of it is that a lot of people just don't know the history or the uses of radiation.

For example the history we wanted to find when other nations were testing weapons. We didn't have satellites (or many) so we had to detect from beyond borders. But radiation doesn't travel very far. Solution? REALLY REALLY sensitive detectors.

Most people also don't know uses for radiation outside cancer therapy. I'd bet you most people don't understand that a PET, CAT, or CT scan is radiation. Let alone that we irradiate food to make it safer. I doubt people know how regulated anything dealing with radiation is, or how many factors of safety are added.

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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I had a really hard time with the title displayed here, which is a truncated version of an already-confusing title on Quora. The actual title, with, I think, desireable punctuation included, is "If I ingest[ed] a grain-of-sand-size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No. 4 core, what would happen to my body?"

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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This is purely hypothetical, as like he noticed, the fuel particle is not soluble in gastric acid. The damage would be much less than that. Inhaling the similar amount of finely powdered radioactive dust is another story, though.

What movie was that?

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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There's no such thing as dangerous information, only truth and not truth.

Tell that to a gay man in Iran who is outed among many other examples.

I feel like many of these are examples of that what people do with the information is dangerous, not that the information _itself_ is dangerous. Perhaps a slight difference, but one that I think exists.

I think people suffering PTSD is a better example of how information can be dangerous.

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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I disagree having read about people who work as content moderators for websites like YouTube. They frequently suffer from acute forms of PTSD having only passively consumed information. If information can cause PTSD, I would consider that information dangerous to one's mental health.

Not to mention simpler examples like the anti vax movement. Which has put not only individuals in danger, but whole populations. There's plenty of examples of information leading to harm. (This comment is neither a recommendation for censorship nor a push for freedom is speech)

That's true. I also thought of something like state secrets where a government agent might show up one day and make you disappear.

But that type of information is only indirectly dangerous. The actual danger is the government agent or your personal actions based on misinformation in the case of antivaxx.

I was thinking more in terms of information that is objectively dangerous. Just ingesting the information alone is enough to cause damage.

I was also reminded of an article I read recently about artists and animators who worked on the newest Mortal Kombat game suffering from PTSD due to the graphic nature of their art and the reference materials they had to use.

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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There's no such thing as dangerous information, only truth and not truth.

You may be interested in reading this paper from Nick Bostrom, where he outlines the dangers present in certain types of truthful information: https://nickbostrom.com/information-hazards.pdf

Glad someone else linked this! I tried submitting it to HN but it didn't gain much traction.

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention simpler examples like the anti vax movement. Which has put not only individuals in danger, but whole populations. There's plenty of examples of information leading to harm. (This comment is neither a recommendation for censorship nor a push for freedom is speech)

That's true. I also thought of something like state secrets where a government agent might show up one day and make you disappear. But that type of information is only indirectly dangerous. The actual danger is the government agent or your personal actions based on misinformation in the case of antivaxx. I was thinking more in terms of information that is objectively dangerous. Just ingesting the information alone is…

> I was thinking more in terms of information that is objectively dangerous. Just ingesting the information alone is enough to cause damage.

I think there are cases for that too. But it depends on your psychology. For example there are mathematicians who have studied infinities and gone insane. Others haven't. Probably other factors involved, but it helped push them over the edge.

Re: If I ingest a grain of sand size piece of the Chernobyl Reactor No.4 core

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https://xkcd.com/radiation/

This masterfully illustrates the relative risks of various sources of radiation, something that the typical person on the street knows almost nothing about but thinks they do

I live in Japan and read up on this topic after the Fukushima disaster

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