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The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…
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> Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. ... and Google, Cisco, ... are closely associated with the American government ... > The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. As an European: Well, so does the United States. Turns out that being assholes to each others seems to be a human trait.
The US has concentration camps? Do tell.
Not anywhere on the same scale though.
Remind me again how Huawei smartphones in Europe are a threat to US national security
Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. Did Europe forget its concentration camps?
China incarcerates at an estimated 165/100k while the US at an reported 655/100k. The makeup of or prison population is skewed to certain minorities who are also more likely to go to prison vs the same charges to white suspects.
So the US has made it’s “concentration” bland and bureaucratic- but the overall system is still monstrous.
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It's now illegal for all the major players to sell them microprocessors. Can't build a smartphone without one. "The United States last week blocked Huawei from buying goods made from 25% or more of U.S.-originated technologies or materials"
I wonder what the long-term implications will be on American businesses for this. Will non-US major companies be wary of relying on US suppliers?
The irony is that that is exactly what western companies blame China for.
Remind me again how Huawei smartphones in Europe are a threat to US national security
Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. Did Europe forget its concentration camps?
Remember the Snowden leaks and when the Obama administration made it clear that surveillance is targeting non-citizens? Remember when they made it clear that those of us, not living in the US, have no rights?
And indeed, we have no right to vote, we had no say in the Trump administration being elected and now we have no say in US’s economic war.
So you see, no matter what arguments you bring forth, as long as we have no say in it, our dependency on Android and other US technologies is becoming a serious problem.
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In all fairness, I have still to see any tangible evidence of this actually having happened. NSA-Backdoored Cisco Routers, on the other hand, are well-documented.
There's plenty of evidence of hacking and corporate espionage; that was what prompted the trade war in the first place. I don't know what public evidence there is about Huawei specifically, but I think it's naive to assume they're an exception.
[1]: https://reason.com/2019/05/15/trumps-malignant-mercantilism/
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It's a great opportunity for the rest of the world to stop leaning on American companies and American technology. It would be wonderful for a European and/or an Asian alternative to Android to emerge.
What has stopped Europe from doing this already? What conditions in Europe have prevented more innovation when it comes to hardware and software development?
It's nice to see the government picking winners and losers in the market.
Precisely why it was important to make it illegal to do business which such an entity, Huawei. US business relies of trademark, patent, contract and license enforcement, which is where the government steps in. The Chinese gov't doesn't abide by any of these rules, nor do they enforce them, and subsequently Chinese companies are run the same way. That's not even getting in the espionage and the links between Huawei an…
Name one.
As for the IP angle, what evidence do you have that Huawei in particular built their 5G, or phones off IP theft? I postulate that as soon as China passes the US in development of new IP, the US will find no shortage of excuses to politically interfere in the market... Just like it is doing now, actually.
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Very recently actually: https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family...
Pretty sure there's a big difference between being detained for an act and being detained for just existing.