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Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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> Apple has pushed the iPad as a laptop replacement for years. But many pro users have noted that while the hardware is capable enough, the software is still behind. As other HN users have noted in the past, until Apple gives me access to a terminal where I can run the command line tools required for my work, I have absolutely zero interest in replacing my laptop with an iPad.

For years Apple has said iPad and iOS in particular is not the same use case as mac/maOS. They are complements.

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You are in a tiny minority. I say this as a fellow member of that minority. But our complaints have (and should have) very little to do with what Apple does or doesn't do with iPads.

Apple is not in the business of designing tools, they are in the business of making money. We’re gonna end up using ipads regardless of our needs.

People need tools to build the apps that run on their devices, apps without which they would make significantly less money.

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I remember when iTunes came out for Windows ca. 2003. I had friends with Macs so I leapt at the chance to try it for myself---it just seemed lightyears ahead of whatever I was using to interface with my music library at the time (Winamp, probably). And what a long, slow, weird, decline it's been since then.

I was a long-time winamp user and I've still never found that sweet spot in any new player, of being able to easily queue up albums and always be listening to exactly what I want, in the order I want.

I still use Winamp 2.x on my Win 10 PC. I have had my MP3s sorted as /mp3/genre/artist/album since mp3s first started and it suits me just fine. I’ll right-click either a genre, artist, or album folder and Play In Winamp.

I use Spotify on my phone but I’m someone who listens to pretty much all the same music that I always have, so Spotify is more replicating my mp3 collection due to a lack of being able to have Winamp on iOS. I’d love to have Winamp on mobile though, it’s still the easiest fastest and cleanest music player I’ve ever used.

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I have a lot of friends who do literally all of their work out of their "Downloads" folder - I don't know how they survive that way, but they love music players which they can just point at a directory and say "index this and make a neat library" and know that everything lives in one place. Personally, I'm in the camp who kept a manually-organized directory tree for music for years, and would still prefer that mode o…

> know that everything lives in one place. That was what bothered me about iTunes...I was never sure WHERE things lived. Even if I pointed it at a folder, was that my music, or just an input source for where my music actually ended up living?

If you right-click any local song¹ there's an option in the context menu to show the song in the Finder.

¹Music available in iCloud Music Library but not explicitly downloaded locally doesn't offer this of course.

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I remember when iTunes came out for Windows ca. 2003. I had friends with Macs so I leapt at the chance to try it for myself---it just seemed lightyears ahead of whatever I was using to interface with my music library at the time (Winamp, probably). And what a long, slow, weird, decline it's been since then.

that s not my memory at all. there were tons of all kinds of fancy player players in linux or windows (winamp? i dont think it was relevant then). Itunes was nothing special, in fact it was so odd that it had to scan every file, and have its own library, ending up with a stale library if you deleted a few songs. I doubt people who did not purchase songs used it

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Apple’s usage of the word “user” (as in “pro user”) doesn’t usually mean to include developers. “Pro users” refers to the category of people who use computers as a black box to do professional things.

So what do you call all the people who develop for apples platforms because they make an extremely high portion of the value for an OS. Without Mac/iOS developers, apple would have gone bankrupt long ago as no OS can compete withouts external developers?

And all of those iOS developers have somehow gotten along just fine without doing their development on an iOS device.

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I wonder if this also means the end of the WebObjects stuff currently backing iTunes, or if this stuff will just be consumed by Music now.

...anyone want to explain why they have a problem with this? Personally I find it really interesting that a web framework that dates back to NeXT is still in production behind widely used software.

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For iPad, it's primarily clunky and a huge waste of space. For iPhone, I'm certain there is a better way to discover and open apps than what was devised a decade ago. The current pull-down search is useful, but as a naive idea: some sort of search & auto-complete on the home screen would be great. EDIT: Bonus - Trying to organize your apps is a nightmare. How do you organize a bunch of icons split across multiple scr…

> The average person has 60-90 apps installed on their phone, using around 30 of them each month and launching 9 per day. https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/05/average-app-user-per-day/ I don't know exactly what that means but I figured it is a good starting point for a discussion.

But is that because it's a mental limitation or is it brought on by the interface?

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No you don’t. With iTunes you could have smart playlists like “create a list of all of the songs I haven’t played in X days”. Normal people didn’t want to tag songs and use the filesystem. Do I really need to bring up the “No Wireless. Less Space than a Nomad. Lame.” Meme and how geeks didn’t get the iPod? https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-i...

I think you may be envisioning two extremes when the parent comment wants a happy medium. I.e. files on disk in any way the customer wants, but add a db on the side to do things like play counts and tags. With reasonable defaults for most people who don't care about filesystem layout.

The filesystem is strictly hierarchal. How do you have one song in multiple playlists without duplicating the songs? How do you propose to make that usable for the average person. History kind of proves that Apple took the right approach in the iPod era. The simple drag files to an attached device MP3 players failed to become successful.

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Apple’s usage of the word “user” (as in “pro user”) doesn’t usually mean to include developers. “Pro users” refers to the category of people who use computers as a black box to do professional things.

So what do you call all the people who develop for apples platforms because they make an extremely high portion of the value for an OS. Without Mac/iOS developers, apple would have gone bankrupt long ago as no OS can compete withouts external developers?

I call them "developers".
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