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Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Depends on where you went to public school. My southern Bay Area public schools consisted almost exclusively of well off students because of housing prices.

Sounds like an extreme outlier, areas with such concentrated wealth which has crowded out the working class and lower-middle class are rare, most students will never attend a school like that.

It’s an outlier, but not really an extreme one: I don’t think my school differs significantly from the several dozen that are present in gentrified neighborhoods across the state.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Sounds like an extreme outlier, areas with such concentrated wealth which has crowded out the working class and lower-middle class are rare, most students will never attend a school like that.

It’s an outlier, but not really an extreme one: I don’t think my school differs significantly from the several dozen that are present in gentrified neighborhoods across the state.

There are nearly 1000 high schools in California, few students will ever be in the gentrified schools you speak of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high_schools_in_Califo...

45% of students in California are poor or slightly above poor: https://www.ppic.org/publication/child-poverty-in-california...

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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He literally call schools prisons: "What bothers me is not that the kids are kept in prisons, but that (a) they aren't told about it, and (b) the prisons are run mostly by the inmates." Source: http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html

A modest amount of reasoning will lead a reader to the understanding that this is a metaphor. What defines a prison: * People are placed there involuntarily. * Their freedom of movement is confined to the prison at all times (sometimes people serve prison on weekends, so I guess that's an edge case). * They are put there because they are criminals (or political prisoners, in the case of corrupt countries). * They are…

>Schools do not exhibit any of these characteristics.

This isn't a metaphor. Schools exhibit all of those characteristics. By your own definitions:

* People are placed there involuntarily.

Private and homeschooling is an edge case, but a red herring at that: it's nearly never the kid's choice as to which school they will go to, and (in some jurisdictions) they'll be hunted down and forcefully returned if they skip, in exceptional cases by men with guns. That's what "placed there involuntarily" means.

* Their freedom of movement is confined to the prison at all times (sometimes people serve prison on weekends, so I guess that's an edge case).

School rules generally prohibit leaving and punish violations with further confinement to the school if this rule is violated. High schools are slightly more relaxed about this but attendance is still enforced, in the more extreme cases by sending a man with a gun to apprehend you and return you to school. Again, exactly like a prison; the only reason students aren't locked in is because doing that would break fire codes.

* They are put there because they are criminals (or political prisoners, in the case of corrupt countries).

They are put there because, exactly like criminals and political prisoners, Society has decided that until a certain age they are not people and we can (mis)treat them however we wish. This isn't to make a judgment of whether or not this view is correct; but if you define "person" as a being that has the capacity to question and protest its station in life there are many "persons" held without cause in that underclass.

* They are intended as either punitive measure or because we decide society is not safe if certain people are allowed outside of prison.

We decided that the subsection of society that students comprise are not safe if they are allowed outside of school (and to the point that a lack of public schooling would affect literacy rates and the ability to participate in civil society, we're right).

Identical justifications are used to imprison political prisoners. "The purpose is not punitive, it's educational." is how their imprisonment and treatment are typically justified, too.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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A plausible story is that Lockport is the county seat of Niagara County, NY, which has three land (bridge) crossings with Canada, and therefore has significant USCIS presence throughout the county. I can imagine a joint task force involving county law enforcement and USCIS. Most schools in NY State have armed police (“school resource officer”) present. They probably all go to the same sporting events, drink at the sa…

Lockport is not the county seat of Niagara County. It's a dilapidated, failing school district that's experiencing a huge amount of wealth flight as it's situated ~10 mins from two quite prominent school districts.

I won’t argue the challenges of the school district, but Lockport, NY is most certainly the county seat of Niagara County, NY.

https://data.ny.gov/widgets/4xc7-bukh

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