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GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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Re: GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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Third world countries have already financed the draining of European swamps. It’s the wealth stolen in Asia, Africa and America that made those public works projects possible in the first place. The reason former colonies haven’t been able to do the same at home is because their society and economy are permanently crippled by colonization.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Colonization, was brutal, self-serving, and its economic consequences are still felt to this day (especially when neocolonialism through private corporations and puppet governments is still a thing).

It's probably this incredible nonsense:

>> The reason former colonies haven’t been able to do the same at home is because their society and economy are permanently crippled by colonization.

Here's an interesting passage from Early China: A Social and Cultural History ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GA22L0E/ ):

> Even when we are talking only about the areas that can be considered as part of Early China, back in a time when "China" as a nation was still in her infancy, we find that more cultural developments had taken place in the valleys and strips of plains that are surrounded by mountains and plateaus on the second step mentioned above, or on the transitional belts along the major mountain ranges, but not at the centers of the floodplains located in the east. The reason for this development was simply ecological, given the fact that in the second millennium BC most of the eastern China plains were still covered by marshes and lakes[2], and the coastline in some sections was at least 150 km inland from today's seashores. The pre-Qin texts record the names of more than forty marshes or lakes on the North China Plain, most of which had dried out after the third century AD. In fact, for millennia the North China Plain was continuously caught in the process of sedimentation by the Yellow River which carried on its way east huge quantities of earth from the topographical second step [areas 1-2 km above sea level].

> [2] Even in the historical period, it was recorded that the Yellow River had changed its course some twenty-six times.

The Yellow River killed vast numbers of Chinese who farmed its banks, even being given the name "China's sorrow". But efforts were made:

> Over time, as the bottom of the channel gradually rose, the river overflowed its banks. Dikes were built ever higher to prevent flooding, and in some places the river started to flow above the surrounding countryside. Today, in a stretch of about 1,100 miles, the Yellow River moves along 11 yards above the plain.

> Under the Qin and Han empires [roughly 200 BC - 200 AD], the Yellow River was the core of Chinese civilization, home to around 90 percent of the population.

( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003TXT09W/ )

During that period, the Chinese hadn't really settled farther south, because... it was full of swamps. But the swamps were drained, the people moved in, and the Yangtze River basin and areas further south had become the demographic center of China by the end of the Tang dynasty in, um, 900 AD.

Tang China was probably the wealthiest country in the world at that time. But it was much poorer than any country today.

Warring States China in 400 BC was much poorer than that.

So no, no one has been "permanently crippled by colonization", and if they had, draining the local swamps would still be well within their means.

Re: GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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Lets put it simple, this is terrorism.

We talk about a plan to disseminate a potent lethal poison claiming moral reasons. Not unlike releasing gas sarin in metro (for highly moral reasons also, everybody has a good reason stuck in their head). Killing millions to save thousands and so. The main difference here is that is a lethal stuff regenerated constantly and released in the air at random days. Yup, this could be worse than sarin attacks. Any fail would be permanent.

There are dozens of spider poisons known that are weak or harmless for people. They had choosen instead the poison that is worst... not for the insects, the worst for us. The more efficient killing people.

And they plan to give this people's serial killer to fungi, to spread it under the soil and into the air. Fungi kingdom is a poorly studiated group of life beings, with a sophisticate defensive methabolism and a complex ecology. Several species can associate and fuse into one (lichens) and two species can be different forms of the same species; therefore there is some risk of horizontal propagation of the modified gene to other species with unpredictable comsequences.

Forget pot smokers, this people should receive inmediately a visit from FBI in their headquarters. They have a lot of things to explain, and I'm talking seriously.

Re: GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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We have to take into account that with climate change the area where the mosquitoes live will probably be wider affecting more people so extending malaria to bigger populations. IMHO, can be wrong , that we have not made a lot against malaria because till now it affected only poor countries but from now on it will probably arrive to richer ones.

- with climate change the area where the mosquitoes live will probably be wider Malaria used to be widespread in Italy. It was causing 15000 deaths/ year in the 19th century. It's nowhere to be found now thanks to insecticides and soil drainage. So I'm a bit sceptical when I hear that climate change will widen the range of malaria. The range already included the first world, we eradicated it.

I hope so. Obviously I'm not an expert.

Re: GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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post #63

Lets put it simple, this is terrorism. We talk about a plan to disseminate a potent lethal poison claiming moral reasons. Not unlike releasing gas sarin in metro (for highly moral reasons also, everybody has a good reason stuck in their head). Killing millions to save thousands and so. The main difference here is that is a lethal stuff regenerated constantly and released in the air at random days. Yup, this could be…

I think you mean negligence and not terrorism

Re: GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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It's worrying that you had to use a throwaway account to write this comment. Something very bad is happening to the freedom of speech.

It’s a four year old account with 1300 karma.

Thanks)

Re: GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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People do not take issue with doing something against malaria but with the proposed method. How could it be stopped if something went wrong? It's not like a chemical agent that you just stop applying when you notice adverse effects. This is a living thing. Living things can procreate, mutate, enter new niches and the only deciding factor is the rate of reproduction. Life doesn't optimize for killing malaria-carrying…

The limiting factor ends up being competition much more than it ends up being rate of reproduction.

For example, we'd get sick a lot more if we weren't teeming with more or less symbiotic organisms. A fungus that specializes in infecting Anopheles and also destroys the resource that it is optimized to consume isn't just going to up and start dissolving rubber.

Re: GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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People do not take issue with doing something against malaria but with the proposed method. How could it be stopped if something went wrong? It's not like a chemical agent that you just stop applying when you notice adverse effects. This is a living thing. Living things can procreate, mutate, enter new niches and the only deciding factor is the rate of reproduction. Life doesn't optimize for killing malaria-carrying…

The limiting factor ends up being competition much more than it ends up being rate of reproduction. For example, we'd get sick a lot more if we weren't teeming with more or less symbiotic organisms. A fungus that specializes in infecting Anopheles and also destroys the resource that it is optimized to consume isn't just going to up and start dissolving rubber.

excellent andromeda strain reference

Re: GM fungus can rapidly kill mosquitoes that spread malaria, study suggests

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Colonization, was brutal, self-serving, and its economic consequences are still felt to this day (especially when neocolonialism through private corporations and puppet governments is still a thing).

It's probably this incredible nonsense: >> The reason former colonies haven’t been able to do the same at home is because their society and economy are permanently crippled by colonization. Here's an interesting passage from Early China: A Social and Cultural History ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GA22L0E/ ): > Even when we are talking only about the areas that can be considered as part of Early China, back in a time…

You kind of proved the point though because century time scales are involved then instead of decades for the project. I would certainly call "multigenerational when others can do it in one" crippled.
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