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If you're well credentialed, tech-smart, greedy, and morally bankrupt, it's probably more lucrative to work for Google than the NSA.

It's probably more lucrative to work for the NSA then Google.

Why do you think that? It's typically more lucrative to work private.

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

I interviewed with Canada's CSE, an NSA equivalent but broke off the process once I had an offer with Amazon. The salary ranges at the CSE were so low that it would be over a decade before I made what Amazon was offering on day 1. I suspect my career income will be more than double.

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

The agencies don't care about degrees as much as they care for raw talent. Many years ago I was in vacation and was just talking about video games with some random dude, then pirating, how to reverse engineer and crack em and from there into buffer overflows and exploit. After our conversation, he told me works for the NSA and asked if I'll like to work for them. I asked about pay, and it was more than double what I made then. Told him I would think about it, but passed. Spooks gives me the creeps. Many that I know that have gone to work for them don't have college degree and were recruited solely on raw talent

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If you're well credentialed, tech-smart, greedy, and morally bankrupt, it's probably more lucrative to work for Google than the NSA.

It's probably more lucrative to work for the NSA then Google.

No it's not

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

Do you realise that almost nobody working in this kind of job can disclose that?

I don't think that's true. People's job titles generally aren't classified, even when they have them at present, as far as I know.

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

Some of my old buddies worked for the NHS. They said they all accept a paycut compared to the private sector because of the value and prestige of the agency itself. In a way I think those in the spy-ish agencies also think along the same lines but they get no recognition from the public about the benefit compared to national health care.

The _prestige_ of working in the NHS?

It’s my experience that the NHS is taken for granted in the UK, and I can’t for one second believe that there’s ANY prestige there.

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One of my best friends worked at the NSA, then the CIA. Smart guy. Unfortunately he got charged for Vault7 leaks and is going to spend the rest of his life in jail. So, in short, don’t work for them. It might seem cool, but it’s not worth it. If they don’t like you, they’ll fuck you.

How do you get charged for leaks if you weren't the leaker?

The same way you get charged for murder when you weren't the murderer.

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

A lot are grabbed out of college or post military. These agencies and governement research centers want degrees, but they are willing to grow desired skills in-house. The most common new employee is someone hired for their potential, with experience much more highly valued in the private sector.

There are ex-Googlers and such as well, but they're not super common. One guy said he got bored at Google because he was rebasing code all the time so switched over. Not everyone will take the more money for a job where your role can feel meaningless. In comparison, these DOD jobs definitely feel meaningful, almost no matter your role. Feelings inside are very similar to what you hear from military servicemembers about feeling like you're making an important difference. If you don't, it's easy to change positions; it is very desirable to have a load of different skills, and learning/training is not only available but pushed hard. Internal and external classes, paying for degrees and having partnerships with local colleges, externships with large private corporations, internships in other departments are all common. If you like to learn, it is appealing. As a result, there are certainly a lot of very smart people.

Being government, you still have a chunk of the pool who are basically done but hanging on til retirement. I'd say it's past the 15-20 year mark that people really start to phone it in in technical positions. I won't get into this too much, but someone who is not known as top of their field but is close to or has maxed out the pay scale, they're probably not useful anymore. There are a lot of these (everywhere in government).

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If you're well credentialed, tech-smart, greedy, and morally bankrupt, it's probably more lucrative to work for Google than the NSA.

It's probably more lucrative to work for the NSA then Google.

Not in good faith, at least.

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

I work for a 4 letter agency that is trying to go back to the "mall" in 5 years. The talent is a bit lackluster, compared to what I expected.

A friend and I who have been around (not in) the "4 letter agency who shall not be named" have decided one of the problems is after the last "mall" program they started hiring people directly out of college instead of out of industry. This leads to a organization full of people with no real practical experience, in particular experience in making decisions. This leads to a lot of analysis churn trying to make things perfect instead of good enough.

The solution would be to partner with universities for the post-grad research stuff and hire people from "industry" as much as possible. Hopefully the people from industry could pick better people to hire from the post-grad research programs. Likely this will never happen, and it might not fix everything (or anything).

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