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WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones

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Re: WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones

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All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…

They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.

> I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary.

Is this a subtle reference to the Israeli occupation of Palestine?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Samson Option" is a conspiracy theory that if Israel is ever at the brink of destruction it will nuke Europe and America. It is a conspiracy theory based on the ramblings of one Israeli historian and one American author. Israel has nuclear weapons and its MAD policies are probably the same as other nuclear powers. It's funny because Putin has actually said that Russia will end up destroying the entire world in r…

> Israel has nuclear weapons and its MAD policies are probably the same as other nuclear powers. But with a much more controversial relationship with it neighbours, who’s land it illegally occupies and state policies that are compared to apartheid policies.

Much more controversial, than Russian? At least those poor folks in Palestine have an incompatible religion, which I could not say about Ukraine.

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All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…

They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.

I agree. Nobody should underestimate the Mossad: https://youtu.be/bJujIwtdk8w

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This is the same country that has a secret nuclear stockpile (developed in partnership with Apartheid South Africa) with plans to use the threat of bombing their European "allies" as blackmail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

The "Samson Option" is a conspiracy theory that if Israel is ever at the brink of destruction it will nuke Europe and America. It is a conspiracy theory based on the ramblings of one Israeli historian and one American author. Israel has nuclear weapons and its MAD policies are probably the same as other nuclear powers. It's funny because Putin has actually said that Russia will end up destroying the entire world in r…

The US position is basically the same. Indeed, the US has warned that it may respond with nuclear weapons to cyberattacks.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Samson Option" is a conspiracy theory that if Israel is ever at the brink of destruction it will nuke Europe and America. It is a conspiracy theory based on the ramblings of one Israeli historian and one American author. Israel has nuclear weapons and its MAD policies are probably the same as other nuclear powers. It's funny because Putin has actually said that Russia will end up destroying the entire world in r…

> Israel has nuclear weapons and its MAD policies are probably the same as other nuclear powers. But with a much more controversial relationship with it neighbours, who’s land it illegally occupies and state policies that are compared to apartheid policies.

I think you don’t know much about apartheid or the situation in Israel / Palestine to compare the two.

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All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…

They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.

How do they differ from international terrorists then?

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Since there's no version information available, I think it's safe to assume they haven't been doing it on iOS for several years.

It's not clear to me if you're right, but I would rephrase the issue this way: If there's a vulnerability in Whatsapp, the injected code should only affect Whatsapp. Otherwise, it's (also) a vulnerability in iOS.

That might be enough for what they are doing. At least it will allow them to spy on whatsapp messages and parts of the system that Whatsapp can access (contacts etc)

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This is the same country that has a secret nuclear stockpile (developed in partnership with Apartheid South Africa) with plans to use the threat of bombing their European "allies" as blackmail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19905363 and marked it off-topic.

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All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…

You're talking about a government that has a long track record of assassinating and abducting people in other countries, including Western liberal democracies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu#Disclosure,_a...

Whatever lines there were, they have long been crossed.

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All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…

> Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables.

Anything that goes unencrypted over the internet is (a) public and (b) liable to be changed by anyone on transit. It's like a travelling wikipedia article.

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