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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by martythemaniak »

mft_ wrote: post #7

Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…

My opinion is that the best way to cut through all the opinionating is to actually buy an EV. For most people, buying an EV is still a far-away, abstract notion so I wouldn't put much stock in their opinions until they spend the money.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by theluketaylor »

tzs wrote: post #38
jcfrei wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the newer 350kW charging stations you can charge up to 80% in about 15 minutes (ie. for a Model S battery). So not much more than filling up with gas. Granted cars which support this will be available at the earliest next year.

I think you are underestimating just how much energy is in a gallon of gas. In terms of miles per hour of charging or adding gas, gas is still massively faster. Tesla says the new charging stations are 1000 miles per hour. A gasoline car that gets 25 miles/gallon, at a gas station with pumps that go at 10 gallons per minutes, "charges" at 15000 miles per hour. (10 gallons per minute is the maximum allowed in the US d…

The fill ups with gas where speed matters to me is around town driving. EVs eliminate this type of stop since you simply charge in the evening or while parked at work. For daily errands and commuting there should never be a need to stop for charge. It didn't take my parents long at all to get in the habit of plugging their volt in before going inside.

On long drives there is a diminishing return on the speed of charging since stops generally include a lot more than simply filling up the tank. There are trips to the bathroom, snack refills, and often a little walking around to stretch out. If you have more then a couple passengers these stops can drag out (or even need to occur more frequently than empty tank). I've been thinking about this a lot and decided for me the diminish point is 250-300 miles in 15 minutes. Anything beyond that is really just gravy and it's likely the stop is longer than the charge time required.

I travel around 1000 miles round trip to visit family a few times a year and the only really viable option is by car since it's so rural. If I can make progress 250-300 miles at a time with a 15-20 minute break I'm pretty comfortable with that. With a 35 mpg ICE car I can stop a little less if it's just me, but when I make this journey with passengers (or part of a convoy) stopping every 2-3 hours for 15-20 minutes is the best I can expect.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by kaicianflone »

I don't know how we're trusting a company that lied about emissions to create the next generation of electric cars. After the TDI and TSI scandals, I know many people who hope this brand does not survive.

I will never buy a VW, Porsche, or Audi if my life depended on it.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by tom_ »

jcfrei wrote: post #29
mises wrote: post #18

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With the newer 350kW charging stations you can charge up to 80% in about 15 minutes (ie. for a Model S battery). So not much more than filling up with gas. Granted cars which support this will be available at the earliest next year.

Is 15 minutes really "not much more than filling up with gas"?

You can fill my car up to 100% from empty in 100 seconds. The entire process, including payment, takes less than 2.5 minutes, and usually (I rarely let it run to empty) more like 2 minutes, from switching off the engine at the pump to switching it back on and driving off.

My car's fuel tank is 60 litres (15.8 US gallons). 35 miles per Imperial gallon in miles per 60 litres = ~460 miles. 6060/90460 = 18,400 miles'-worth of charge per hour (in principle).

You can get more fuel-efficient cars than mine, and you can also get cars with larger fuel tanks.

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Post by razster »

bdamm wrote: post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by pbreit »

mft_ wrote: post #7

Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…

I think Tesla was smart to appeal initially to the European automotive fans. I've bought German all my life but my next car will be a Tesla.

Think I think the made-in-America customers will come around.

I think the Asian car fans will be a little trickier because of the price/quality proposition. Although it seems like the Prius fans are already coming over.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by urda »

thedaemon wrote: post #56
ilamont wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give more details? Was this related to the emissions scandal?

Yes. They didn't want to return their car and VW wanted everyone to return their car. So if you waited too long to return it.. you didn't get any money back. So this customer is butt hurt over getting better gas mileage and not getting a check. Entitlement.

Buying a product when told it has X features and specifications then receiving said product with Y features and specifications and then becoming upset over it as a consumer isn't "entitlement".

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by mach5 »

bdamm wrote: post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

not sure what your problem was, i had two TDI's and did buybacks for both and, though it took a while, the experience was pleasant and the offer was generous.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by ody4242 »

blattimwind wrote: post #52
jaytaylor wrote: post #39

Based on th emissions scandal, I'm unlikely to ever consider a VW vehicle, period. Even though most of the auto industry is also full of dirty money grubbing scum. Not sure what the best move is, until giving it more thought I'm avoiding purchasing another vehicle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device#Timeline Good luck finding a car manufacturer that can deliver and isn't on that list.

Mercedes

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by blattimwind »

ody4242 wrote: post #69
blattimwind wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device#Timeline Good luck finding a car manufacturer that can deliver and isn't on that list.

Mercedes

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44444361
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