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Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by Vinnl » Mon, May 06, 2019, 4:45 PM UTC

Titanous wrote: post #57

It's worth noting that the new VS Code Remote Development extensions are not open source, which means that it is impossible for the community to fix bugs, and add new platforms/environments/features, or see the code that's running in their environment without reverse engineering. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_why-arent-the...

Thanks for pointing that out.

(Also odd formulation of the question: "Why aren't the open soure? - We made the decision to keep them closed source." The actual answer is to the next question: "we may provide premium developer services.")

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by lostintangent » Mon, May 06, 2019, 4:46 PM UTC

claimred wrote: post #60

lostintangent wrote: post #45

Hey all! I’m the author of this post, and lead the PM team at Microsoft behind IntelliCode, Live Share, and the cloud-based remote development capabilities described in this article. We’re looking forward to working with developers, and learning how to further support teams who are looking to up-level their productivity and embrace further workplace flexibility (yay for remote development!). In the meantime, feel fre…

Hey, great post, looking forward for seeing brand new VS! Would you mind sharing a little bit of tech approach for your real-time collaboration features? OT, CRDT or a hybrid transactional approach of sorts? Currently we are developing realtime collaboration for a CAD system called Renga and information is a bit scarce.

Thanks! We currently use OT for the collaborative editing experience behind Live Share.

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by core-questions » Mon, May 06, 2019, 4:47 PM UTC

lostintangent wrote: post #45

Hey all! I’m the author of this post, and lead the PM team at Microsoft behind IntelliCode, Live Share, and the cloud-based remote development capabilities described in this article. We’re looking forward to working with developers, and learning how to further support teams who are looking to up-level their productivity and embrace further workplace flexibility (yay for remote development!). In the meantime, feel fre…

What's the situations going to be like for third-party addons for this? My company has need of an online IDE for our end users to code against, and obviously writing our own seems like too gargantuan of a task that will likely result in sub-par outcomes.

Could we instead make some kind of first-class addon for VS Code Online, and funnel users into setting that up instead?

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by geokon » Mon, May 06, 2019, 4:50 PM UTC

the next step is ofcourse running an IDE remotely from a running program itself that can self modify. Like Nightlight for Clojure:https://github.com/oakes/Nightlight

my dream would be basically nightlight, but if the ide itself could self modify kinda like Emacs. Basically Emacs in Clojure that you could embed in applications or have applications run from it (the two would be equivalent)

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by lostintangent » Mon, May 06, 2019, 4:50 PM UTC

core-questions wrote: post #63

lostintangent wrote: post #45

Hey all! I’m the author of this post, and lead the PM team at Microsoft behind IntelliCode, Live Share, and the cloud-based remote development capabilities described in this article. We’re looking forward to working with developers, and learning how to further support teams who are looking to up-level their productivity and embrace further workplace flexibility (yay for remote development!). In the meantime, feel fre…

What's the situations going to be like for third-party addons for this? My company has need of an online IDE for our end users to code against, and obviously writing our own seems like too gargantuan of a task that will likely result in sub-par outcomes. Could we instead make some kind of first-class addon for VS Code Online, and funnel users into setting that up instead?

Enabling the ecosystem is a big focus for us moving forward, so I’d love to chat further about your scenario and requirements. Feel free to ping me at joncart@microsoft.com and we can setup a quick call.

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by akhilcacharya » Mon, May 06, 2019, 4:54 PM UTC

auvi wrote: post #39

akhilcacharya wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Google it's very common to use the internal web IDE called CIDER. At Amazon, some people use AWS Cloud 9 as their editor of choice but it's pretty uncommon in my neck of the woods.

Is the internal IDE based on this https://github.com/jordoncm/cider ?

No idea, but I'd guess not.

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by manishsharan » Mon, May 06, 2019, 4:55 PM UTC

teachrdan wrote: post #32

manishsharan wrote: post #30

As an "oldtimer", I tried out AWS Cloud9 and other cloud based IDEs and came away deeply unimpressed . However my frame of reference was to my experience with my heavily customized IDEs. However, my daughter's classroom uses only online IDEs. I think they got used to this style of IDEs when they got started with Scratch programming in elementary school. These kids are much more comfortable and productive on the onlin…

Can I ask what city or school district your child goes to school in that they have programming classes in elementary school?

Toronto Here is a summary : https://sites.google.com/a/tdsb.on.ca/coding-in-the-elementa...

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by AshleyGrant » Mon, May 06, 2019, 4:56 PM UTC

contextfree wrote: post #29

AshleyGrant wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually a new product using the old product name.

Yes. The product/service now known as Azure DevOps was originally called the Team Foundation Service, then Visual Studio Online, then Visual Studio Team Services, and now it's Azure DevOps. This Visual Studio Online is a new product/service.

One of these years they'll get the name right! I typically refer to it as "Whatever they're calling VSTS this week"

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 06, 2019, 5:08 PM UTC

Titanous wrote: post #57

It's worth noting that the new VS Code Remote Development extensions are not open source, which means that it is impossible for the community to fix bugs, and add new platforms/environments/features, or see the code that's running in their environment without reverse engineering. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_why-arent-the...

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Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by elamje » Mon, May 06, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #25

elamje wrote: post #21

Very nice - moves in this direction will give more developers the ability to use lower-end computers like Chromebooks to do just about everything.

Is the editor/IDE really the limitation? If anything web-technology-based IDEs are usually the ones wasting resources nowadays, my long-lived emacs session running the SLIME environment to interact with common lisp uses a meager (by modern standards) 110MB of RAM. I used a very similar setup 15 years ago on a computer with 512MB of RAM and a single-core 1.5GHz CPU. You can already develop very comfortably on a chrome…

Well, you might be biased by the fact that you are fluent in emacs and/or vim. 90+% of modern programmers use heavier IDE's in their work.