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Julian Assange Appears in Court for U.S. Extradition Hearing

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Re: Julian Assange Appears in Court for U.S. Extradition Hearing

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Keep in mind all the crimes by US officials that Assange revealed. In my view many of those crimes committed by officials are treason, yet all have been swept under the rug.

Which of his crimes looks like treason? He didn’t hack anything, his only “crime” is providing a publishing outlet. (And yes, Assange is highly biased and anti-American, which is not good, but publishing leaks shouldn’t be a crime.)

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I guess this news gives Assange a valid reason for his bail-jumping. He was suspected of raping in Sweden. That was what he was bail-jumping for. But the real reason is the threat of his extradition to US for... what? revealing the war crime of the US? That shall never be a crime. War crime shall not be hidden. US shall be punished for obstructing the information of war crime.

Wouldn't he have been safer in Sweden than in the UK? If I were to bet on who were more likely to suck up to the Americans of the two, my money would be on the Brits.

I'd say his thinking was that he was safer out of custody in the UK than in custody in Sweden.

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#63
post #20

I guess this news gives Assange a valid reason for his bail-jumping. He was suspected of raping in Sweden. That was what he was bail-jumping for. But the real reason is the threat of his extradition to US for... what? revealing the war crime of the US? That shall never be a crime. War crime shall not be hidden. US shall be punished for obstructing the information of war crime.

The UK has substantially better extradition laws for the government. His choice to flee Sweden to go to the UK is certainly an odd one if his concern was avoiding extradition to the US.

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It’s amazing that the state moves so quickly when someone operates against its interests.

That seems logical that such a thing would happen.

Not necessarily. Climate change is arguably destroying the U.S. through droughts, hurricanes, floods, etc. But you don't see the U.S. react so swiftly.

It's really when the interests of those in power that are affected, that the "state acts so quickly."

Re: Julian Assange Appears in Court for U.S. Extradition Hearing

#65
post #20

I guess this news gives Assange a valid reason for his bail-jumping. He was suspected of raping in Sweden. That was what he was bail-jumping for. But the real reason is the threat of his extradition to US for... what? revealing the war crime of the US? That shall never be a crime. War crime shall not be hidden. US shall be punished for obstructing the information of war crime.

Most nations don't take too kindly to people that assist in the illegal acquisition and publishing of their classified documents.

If you did a similar thing to China or Russia, they would probably do everything in their power to secretly execute/assassinate you.

Even if you did it to a highly progressive European nation like UK, the government probably wouldn't celebrate you as a hero but would rather do everything in their power to put you behind bars regardless of if it were "conscienscious whistleblowing" or not.

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#66
post #3

Keep in mind all the crimes by US officials that Assange revealed. In my view many of those crimes committed by officials are treason, yet all have been swept under the rug.

Which of his crimes looks like treason? He didn’t hack anything, his only “crime” is providing a publishing outlet. (And yes, Assange is highly biased and anti-American, which is not good, but publishing leaks shouldn’t be a crime.)

My earlier comment was unclear. Assange revealed serious crimes by US officials.

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't he have been safer in Sweden than in the UK? If I were to bet on who were more likely to suck up to the Americans of the two, my money would be on the Brits.

Neither one is a particularly safe space if you're worried about the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an... > Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad Alzery were two Egyptian asylum-seekers who were deported to Egypt from Sweden on December 18, 2001, apparently following a request from the United States Central Intelligence Agency. The forced repatriation was criticized because of the danger of torture…

Swedish policy has changed since 2001. I wonder if there are any more recent examples. But that was on par for the course for Sweden. Back during the Cold War, Sweden sent a lot of Latvians and Lithuanians back on request by the USSR.

Sweden was desperately defending its status as a neutral country, and did not want to appear to take any sides. But the previous Swedish government decided to recognise Palestine as a state, which strongly suggest they are done with that now.

All that besides, the US did not request his extradition until Trump became President. So he could have gone to Sweden, done his interview in the case, probably been let off with a fine, and then go on his merry way.

Re: Julian Assange Appears in Court for U.S. Extradition Hearing

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Some notes:

- This hearing is simply an early opportunity for Assange to volunteer to surrender to America. Which of course he didn't.

- It won't be until June that a substantial extradition hearing will start.

- He's still got his sentence to serve in the UK.

- The maximum US sentence for the alleged crimes is five years.

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this confirms that jumping bail was the right course of action. Sweden didn't produce a single evidence of the crime, and US extradition hearings are happening behind closed doors. how isn't this exactly what prompted him to ask for asylum, which the UK magistrate called paranoia at the time?

> Sweden didn't produce a single evidence of the crime This seems to be false. There was a hearing, and a judge believed there was probable cause. From the Wikipedia page, under "Review of detention order": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_... > On 16 July 2014, the Stockholm District Court reviewed the detention order on request by Assange. During the course of the proceedings, Assange's d…

2014...

after that they did go to London to interview him and did DNA testing and found nothing too.

Re: Julian Assange Appears in Court for U.S. Extradition Hearing

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I guess this news gives Assange a valid reason for his bail-jumping. He was suspected of raping in Sweden. That was what he was bail-jumping for. But the real reason is the threat of his extradition to US for... what? revealing the war crime of the US? That shall never be a crime. War crime shall not be hidden. US shall be punished for obstructing the information of war crime.

go read the US indictment against him at yourself [0]. The US was smart and did not charge him with anything that he could argue first amendment for.

From WSJ:

> In the U.S. indictment, prosecutors alleged that in March 2010 Mr. Assange conspired to help former U.S. Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning break into a U.S. Defense Department computer system by trying to help her crack a password.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/11/18306045/julian-assange-w...

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