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Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by Ettvatre »

lucideer wrote: post #29
akvadrako wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, this seems like a dishonest account of the situation. My understanding is that being "charged" in Sweden normally happens later in the process than in the USA/UK, so the fact that he wasn't "charged" isn't meaningful.

To be fair, you've nitpicked one minor detail in the above quote. The subtantive point still hands. Why is Assange not now wanted for questioning in Sweden?

Please stop spreading misinformation. They have stated in a press release that they will look into this case again. It was 2 weeks ago and these things takes some time.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by netcan »

pmyteh wrote: post #46
netcan wrote: post #11

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There may not be and extradition case. It doesn't seem like Sweden is still keen, and on balance, the US mightn't want him either at this point. It's not a guaranteed conviction. The president has an embarrassing YouTube reel where he "loves WikiLeaks" 50 times. It'll drag the contents of contentious leaks back into the spotlight. It could be more convenient to let it go.

It is an extradition case: the US have made an extradition request for conspiracy to hack (only). Assange is currently held for that as well as the Bail Act offence.

Has that request been made yet?

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by michaelcampbell »

roywiggins wrote: post #58
wybiral wrote: post #32

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> The president has an embarrassing YouTube reel where he "loves WikiLeaks" 50 times. It'll drag the contents of contentious leaks back into the spotlight. It could be more convenient to let it go. But America isn't a dictatorship so the decision isn't exactly up to him. There's a whole legal system operating under their own framework that the president doesn't have much control over.

He can always issue a pardon, which would end the entire thing.

Thanks; today I learned the US President can pardon a non-US-citizen. Your post made me go look it up. I would never have thought...

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by michaelcampbell »

fit2rule wrote: post #52
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #50

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I'm trying to decide if this line of thinking is scary or wondrous.

I think its wondrous that anyone things its okay to ignore Guantanamo and the hundred other CIA black sites where this kind of activity is the norm. Its also scary.

If this is happening at G'mo, it sucks. I haven't heard of any unbelievable turns of faith out of there that brainwashing would cause.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by Ettvatre »

Hamuko wrote: post #43
lucideer wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, you've nitpicked one minor detail in the above quote. The subtantive point still hands. Why is Assange not now wanted for questioning in Sweden?

Hasn't the crime expired?

No it hasn't. There's so much misinformation in this area that it's funny.

The original case was closed since the prosecutor didn't expect a conviction because Assange was hiding under a rock.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by u10 »

lucideer wrote: post #29
akvadrako wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, this seems like a dishonest account of the situation. My understanding is that being "charged" in Sweden normally happens later in the process than in the USA/UK, so the fact that he wasn't "charged" isn't meaningful.

To be fair, you've nitpicked one minor detail in the above quote. The subtantive point still hands. Why is Assange not now wanted for questioning in Sweden?

It's a substantial part of the Swedish legal system, not a 'minor detail'.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by fit2rule »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #64
fit2rule wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think its wondrous that anyone things its okay to ignore Guantanamo and the hundred other CIA black sites where this kind of activity is the norm. Its also scary.

If this is happening at G'mo, it sucks. I haven't heard of any unbelievable turns of faith out of there that brainwashing would cause.

Of course you wouldn't know - this is why these sites are operated clandestinely, and you - the American people - will never know what your government is doing in your name at these sites.

Just like the people of the UK don't know what is being done, in the name of their ruler, in sites such as Belmarsh.

Those who find this incredible, might want to look - for themselves - at Belmarsh's long history of being a used as a programming site. The idea of Assange becoming the subject of mind control procedures in Belmarsh is, unfortunately, not un-realistic. The UK and its master, the USA, has a long history of these kinds of activities in cases where it is politically expedient .. if this is unreal to you, I suggest you have a milquetoast view of the intelligence community. Read the Wikileaks.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by primroot »

cyphar wrote: post #51
primroot wrote: post #48

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Where is the cooperation here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case I really fail to see it.

In the second sentence: > The case was picked by the international media as one of the better-documented cases of extraordinary rendition carried out in a joint operation by the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Italian Military Intelligence and Security Service (SISMI) [emphasis added] A joint operation implies there was co-operation. I'm not saying the US has never conducted extraordinary ren…

You are right then. I missed it because I was focusing on the way the Italian judiciary handled the case afterwards, which indicates the clandestine nature of the co-operation.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by ryanlol »

Ettvatre wrote: post #60
tomp wrote: post #41

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According to your [2], more than 2 weeks ago, Swedish lawyers started preparing their case to request his extradition. Have there been any updates?

No there's no updates. These things normally takes quite some time.

As far as I've understood the EAW process is super fast, am I wrong?

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

fit2rule wrote: post #67
michaelcampbell wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is happening at G'mo, it sucks. I haven't heard of any unbelievable turns of faith out of there that brainwashing would cause.

Of course you wouldn't know - this is why these sites are operated clandestinely, and you - the American people - will never know what your government is doing in your name at these sites. Just like the people of the UK don't know what is being done, in the name of their ruler, in sites such as Belmarsh. Those who find this incredible, might want to look - for themselves - at Belmarsh's long history of being a used a…

So where does the real end and the incredible begin, in your opinion? If it appears on Wikileaks it's going to be the truth? Does it end at what's on Wikileaks? What's your requirements for proof to accept incredible, non-milquetoast claims?
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