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Re: Why the doors to America are closing for Chinese tech students

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Post by jazzyk » Wed, May 01, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #58

someguydave wrote: post #2

In electronics, the success of areas like Shenzhen and the relative expense of engineering in the US has decimated non-defense industry. In 2002, there were 385,000 electrical engineers in the US. In 2014, there were only 300,000. ( https://www.computerworld.com/article/2487847/what-stem-shor... ) Why should foreign students expect to work in relatively expensive industries that are losing employees in the US?

According to the BLS there were 324,600 electrical and electronics engineers in the US in 2016. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/electri... A bit of a decline but "decimated" is too strong a word for a decline from 385,000 to 324,600, and much of that is due to smartphones and tablets (and single-board computers like the Raspberry Pi) that reduced the need for custom electronics. For example: in t…

The rapidly increasing presence of electronics everywhere (cars, "intelligent" fridges, etc), should have caused a dramatic rise in the number of engineers, so I would say "decimated" is somewhat justified.

Re: Why the doors to America are closing for Chinese tech students

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Post by lkCbdBclE » Wed, May 01, 2019, 3:58 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #48

Zarath wrote: post #27

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A vast majority of the Chinese international students I met in college were: Already incredibly wealthy (if you think inequality is bad in the US, you should see Shanghai or other parts of China) and had no intentions of staying in the US and were just here for education. It was extremely common to see Chinese students driving around in BMWs, Mercedes, Audis, and very often nicer cars, and it became something of a st…

> Not to mention my university was taxpayer funded. Assuming it was a US university, the Chinese students were paying a special extra-high tuition for international students.

I think their point was that it was a public university. At least in my experience, you'll see less (they still exist) obviously wealthy students. It makes the wealthy international students more jarring/juxtaposed.

Re: Why the doors to America are closing for Chinese tech students

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Post by SamReidHughes » Thu, May 02, 2019, 1:07 AM UTC

jbay808 wrote: post #51

SamReidHughes wrote: post #25

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There aren't many students fit for grad school (in the sciences) that are held back by poor secondary education. Obviously, some specialized programs could accelerate top kids farther, faster, but they're mostly already grad-school capable.

This is quite a tangent... But how are you sure about this? I have known many high performing kids that felt severely under-challenged in secondary school, or were even picked on for showing genuine interest in their material. Some of them made it through and turned out fine in the end, but some of them didn't. Some ended up dropping out early, or severely under-performing their potential and throwing away a shot at…

The majority of high school graduates are enrolling in college. Among people in the top 1% by talent, that number is in the 90%'s, no? So the kids not getting face-time with college and grad school options is a small sliver.

Also, there don't seem to be any other secondary education systems, in other states or countries, that are doing surprisingly better.

Re: Why the doors to America are closing for Chinese tech students

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Post by simonblack » Thu, May 02, 2019, 4:48 AM UTC

The American Manhattan Project came about because Germany forced a lot of Jewish scientists out of their research jobs in the thirties.

Those scientists moved to the States, which was America's gain and Germany's loss when lots of Weapons Research happened during the forties.

America seems determined to lose out when Chinese scientists are barred from US jobs, or when Chinese space engineers are refused any interaction with NASA.

Re: Why the doors to America are closing for Chinese tech students

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Post by DeonPenny » Fri, May 03, 2019, 7:40 AM UTC

simonblack wrote: post #64

The American Manhattan Project came about because Germany forced a lot of Jewish scientists out of their research jobs in the thirties. Those scientists moved to the States, which was America's gain and Germany's loss when lots of Weapons Research happened during the forties. America seems determined to lose out when Chinese scientists are barred from US jobs, or when Chinese space engineers are refused any interacti…

One they were killing jewish scientist. They were running for their lives.

Two most of these people are students and there a huge line for students to come into US universities. Unless china has a another plan to invest heavily in western free and democratic schooling they won't lose that edge.

Re: Why the doors to America are closing for Chinese tech students

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Post by NicoJuicy » Sat, May 04, 2019, 9:21 AM UTC

rapsey wrote: post #59

NicoJuicy wrote: post #57

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I don't know, but health care is at least as good in Europe, if not better. I'm pretty sure some huge companies have important advantages by portraying that the expensive one of the US is better. But I highly doubt it. And for the really rare cases for rich person's, people fly where the best specialist is.

Some places, definitely not public healthcare.

You've never been in Belgium obviously