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A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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So, you spend a load of energy to reform atmospheric CO2 back into hydrocarbon fuel - and then just burn it again, turning it back into CO2 and putting it back into the atmosphere?

The end state of the atmosphere is, at best, the same as the starting state, but you've expended a load more energy for nothing. If the energy to run this process isn't zero-carbon, then this is going to be a big net emitter when done at scale.

This is just creating green-washed gasoline.

Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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post #61

So, you spend a load of energy to reform atmospheric CO2 back into hydrocarbon fuel - and then just burn it again, turning it back into CO2 and putting it back into the atmosphere? The end state of the atmosphere is, at best, the same as the starting state, but you've expended a load more energy for nothing. If the energy to run this process isn't zero-carbon, then this is going to be a big net emitter when done at s…

not if the initial energy source had a lower CO2 impact than normal gasoline. eg: The Gas making machine used solar or wind for input .

Now, I dont see the point over just using electric cars, but i guess this has a limited shelf life for those existing cars, or those who refuse to change?

Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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post #44

I strongly suspect that manufacturing hydrocarbon fuel out of air, water, and electricity is going to be a pretty significant part of the fight against climate change. The reason is fundamentally political. Newly industrialized countries have a lot of vital economic activity dependent on internal combustion engines, and cannot afford the luxury of replacing them with alternatives. The West does not have the political…

>I strongly suspect that manufacturing hydrocarbon fuel out of air, water, and electricity If you already have electricity, that is all the energy you need. There is no need to use it to produce a toxic, polluting fuel that is used in highly inefficient internal combustion engines. Simply use electric motors, which are way more efficient.

How would someone in China charge their electric car with clean electricity generated in the United States?

Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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This is really, fundamentally important technology. Emissions reduction will not work: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nations-are-not-r... > The authors of the report stated in a press release that the kind of drastic, large-scale action the planet desperately needs has yet to be seen, even though global emissions have reached record levels at 53.5 billion metric tons in 2017, with no signs of peaking. >…

How much do today's "carbon recapture" methods need to grow? What's the timeline on them looking like? P.S. The first Google result for carbon recapture is titled "“Direct air capture” of carbon dioxide won't solve climate change" P.P.S From Wikipedia with a cited source: capturing and compressing CO2 and other system costs are estimated to increase the cost per watt-hour energy produced by 21–91% for fossil fuel pow…

Realistically, "carbon recapture" barely exists today. It's a science experiment / excuse to avoid reducing emissions.

Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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post #3

that entire article can be reduced to "nanotubes" since its a YC company though maybe we could get the underlying story?

I emailed Rob this afternoon to set up a Launch HN thread, where people will be able to ask whatever they want. Hopefully he can show up to answer some of the comments in the current thread too, since people are obviously interested.

Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

#66

After reading this article, all I can say is ... ugh. What I really wanted to know was "Where does the energy come from?", and the article didn't answer that at all. The world doesn't really have a "carbon" problem, it has an energy problem, and right now carbon fuels are the cheapest, most abundant source of energy. Even if you somehow got carbon capture to work, you're still going to have to power it - with solar,…

I’m sure a lot of places have excess energy production that batteries can’t store. Gas is relatively easy to transport long distances. Seems like a variety of ways to decrease fossil fuel outputs seem likely. Then, at a future state, you could just do this as a way to terraform the planet (if that’s the right term?) back to a pre industrial state, as much as possible

Normally there is a small energy base load constantly generated below varying renewables and other forms such as hydro and fossil are dispatched as demand increases. Just because a utility has capacity for higher demand does not necessarily mean there is excess energy, generally the instantaneous energy generated is equal to the energy being consumed.

Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would bet photovoltaic. Lowest cost per watt, the process can likely be designed to tolerate day/night variations, and the plant can be located where the sun shines.

Or nuclear. A big nuclear plant could be built somewhere with cheap land, no earthquakes, and minimal weather. You don’t even need electric transmission infrastructure. If the capital costs are low enough, cheap or free spot electricity could be used, too. California regularly has excess production.

That would be ironic.

We would gradually go from coal and (natural gas) powered electric cars, to nuclear powered ICE cars.

Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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post #57

There is a water plant called Azolla that actually captured so much co2 long ago that many think it triggered an ice age. Why not incentivize natural carbon sequestration and just produce huge fields of this stuff everywhere? I would hope we find a fish that likes eating it, or find a way to convert it into other animal feed, if nothing else. I don't think carbon tax credits or whatever they are called are enough for…

If an animal eats it, wouldn't it be combusting the captured carbon to produce CO2/H20/energy? I don't think you'd want to feed it to anything, but just let it be buried or be pushed under the earth's crust.

Re: A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC W19)

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To me the main lack is why put these machines where the carbon is scarce vs abundant? Eg: My back yard has something like 411PPM [1] but a coal plan flue, i assume, has a very much larger PPM.

IMO it's analogous to solar panels in Canada where the sun is 1/2 the strength of other parts of the planet [2]

[1]: https://www.co2.earth/ [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_irradiance#/media/File:G...

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