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People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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post #48

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I've worked in that environment, but without anyone goofing off. Fortunately, as a contractor, I did not have to come in on the weekends. My coworkers were no more productive than me: IMNSHO, they would end up dragging as much busywork out of every problem as they could, simply because they were too overworked to think more than one step ahead. To wit: we were running 10 AWS servers - to serve a mostly static website…

If you can bill $200 per hour for 75 hours a week for a year, though, maybe you'd be willing to do that for a year or so just in order to never have to do it, or any other work, ever again. Of course, if the client actually has to pay $200 per hour you're present, it's exceedingly likely that the overtime culture will stop overnight. It's obvious that it isn't working already, once the company actually pays for it as…

Thats only 750K$ - roughly have the price of a house in the Bay Area before taxes (maybe just enough for the down payment).

Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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post #21

This happened to me. I was working 40 hours per week but saying I was working 75 hours per week (without really measuring it). Then I got a second job which made it more important to manage my time effectively (including measuring my time). With the second job, I actually started working 72 hours per week and realized how hard it is to work that much time due to the necessities in life (sleeping, eating/shopping, bat…

Also puts into perspective how much of a mental wear working 70+ hours is. I did it for a few months - really starts breaking you down as a human being.

30 years ago I did 70 hours a week for 12 weeks and have RSI in one of my wrists as a result.

Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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post #45

Many years ago I was working for a small consulting firm and had a stretch of time with a lot of overtime; aka "crunch time". Since these were billable hours, time was tracked daily, even if they weren't all actually billed. The tracked hours varied over the ~6 month span, but ranged from 55 hours a week to 93 for one week. Of course not 100% of the time was spent on actual work but it was pretty close. The 93 hour w…

Make that 6 months into two years and the sleep time to an average of 5 - 5.5 hours a night and you have parenthood of a crybaby.

You have to add in a boss who spends 2/3rd of the time you're home screaming at you to the mix.

Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked in that environment, but without anyone goofing off. Fortunately, as a contractor, I did not have to come in on the weekends. My coworkers were no more productive than me: IMNSHO, they would end up dragging as much busywork out of every problem as they could, simply because they were too overworked to think more than one step ahead. To wit: we were running 10 AWS servers - to serve a mostly static website…

> we were running 10 AWS servers - to serve a mostly static website and handle a few hundred REST API calls each day. You could do taht with 2 instances and dropwizard ( https://www.dropwizard.io/1.3.9/docs/ )

Or you could do it with a single $5 virtual machine without any of the Amazon "you're an idiot for using the cloud because you don't need it" tax.

Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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Actually working more than ~55 hours in a week is soul crushing and physically very hard. At a certain point you would need an escalation of stimulants or risk not being able to get out of bed if you actually worked 75 hours.

I can confirm. In the consulting world I've had several instances of either being doubled up on projects or having to hit extremely demanding deadlines for milestone payouts that required legitimate 60+ hour weeks. One week is doable, 2 is a stretch, beyond that people (myself included) generally had to turn to things like modafinil to keep going and there's a noticeable toll on general health and wellness. On the fl…

>But so are people who say they work 40 hour weeks. From working with hundreds of "normal" employees at clients over the years, I'd say the average actual productive time per person is around 25 hours

Agreed, I'd be surprised if I spent more than 25 hours a week actually actively working

Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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What is work anyway? If you are a programmer then work is different. Sure you are not on your feet all day at the beck and call of customers, however, if you are not working then your computer is. Waiting is not supposed to be part of the job. Learning on the job is also verboten. Very little time that is on the company clock is spent travelling. I have colleagues in sales that do lots of travel, then, when they are…

> I also know from experience that time spent travelling is tiring, but is it strictly work? > On the plane they could have the laptop out and be working on spreadsheets. Or they could be playing Angry Birds. Would one activity count as working and the other not?

If the company put me in that plane, I can do whatever I want and it'll still count as work. I wouldn't be in that plane if it wasn't for the company. The time I'm in that plane, my little kid is not with his father and my wife needs to work extra hard to keep up with her job and then take care of the kid all by herself.

It's so simple I even wonder people would ask themselves questions like this.

Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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And even if they do spend 75 hours at their workplace, they're probably spending far less than 40 actually working. (says the guy posting on HN instead of actually working).

Also true of people who spend 40 hours at their workplace, which is totally fine (and often necessary!) for most knowledge work.

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Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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I recently started turning up at around 10 and leaving at 4:45 and I get just as much done as when I was in the office 9-6.

I've also started giving more fucks about work, which is amusing as I started showing up late and leaving early due to my lack of fucks.

So in my unsanctioned (and I'm sure time limited once someone complains) experiment with a sample size of one I can say shorter days definitely keep me more engaged and don't seem to slow down my work.

Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can bill $200 per hour for 75 hours a week for a year, though, maybe you'd be willing to do that for a year or so just in order to never have to do it, or any other work, ever again. Of course, if the client actually has to pay $200 per hour you're present, it's exceedingly likely that the overtime culture will stop overnight. It's obvious that it isn't working already, once the company actually pays for it as…

Thats only 750K$ - roughly have the price of a house in the Bay Area before taxes (maybe just enough for the down payment).

Certainly, but let's not forget that there exist other places to live :)

Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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I recently started turning up at around 10 and leaving at 4:45 and I get just as much done as when I was in the office 9-6. I've also started giving more fucks about work, which is amusing as I started showing up late and leaving early due to my lack of fucks. So in my unsanctioned (and I'm sure time limited once someone complains) experiment with a sample size of one I can say shorter days definitely keep me more en…

This has been my standard work day for ~4 years. I've found people don't complain as long as you get things done.
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