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People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Pooping is pretty high up on the hierarchy of needs. Higher than social norms. People are going to poop, sleep, eat, etc wether or not a dignified way to perform these functions is available. Solution: provide a dignified way to perform life necessities.

Yup. Bio bags like for camping/pets at a minimum. Public urinals for numero uno. No million-dollar toilet that charges people like it's Europe.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Pooping is pretty high up on the hierarchy of needs. Higher than social norms. People are going to poop, sleep, eat, etc wether or not a dignified way to perform these functions is available. Solution: provide a dignified way to perform life necessities.

There used to be plenty, well... enough public toilets in SF. The junkie/homeless problem started in the 60s, and never stopped. With a push by the emptying of asylums in the 80s, and a current resurgance in opiate addiction, the problem just continues. Shelters, enforcement, all have practical limitations. The best option seems to be injection sites, and then a push for open bathrooms. But few actually want to mplement it, no matter how much they may agree in spirit. And we are back to NIMBYism. Bay area in a nutshell.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Pooping is pretty high up on the hierarchy of needs. Higher than social norms. People are going to poop, sleep, eat, etc wether or not a dignified way to perform these functions is available. Solution: provide a dignified way to perform life necessities.

Root cause analysis shows that pooping is caused by eating. By removing all sources of food, you will solve the problem entirely and indirectly!

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Just build the damn public toilets everywhere, make them free and clean and almost nobody but a small number of the craziest people will poop at the streets. If we had to choose just a single thing a state should solve this is it - the most fundamental and unconditional yet simple need everybody has - a way to defecate comfortably whenever and wherever and in a city they are, regardless to how much money they have. T…

Even private toilets are disgusting when they service that population.

I'd like to see you push a mentally ill person from pooping into the street into the heroine-needle ridden prostitution hub of a public toilet.

Hell, I see the prostitution happen in front of city hall, where there is a childrens playground in open daylight!

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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It looks like the homeless population has remained fairly steady over the same period of time that reported poop incidents has quintupled. That leads to two likely conclusions: Either people are reporting it more often than before (Has it become easier to report such incidents?) or more homeless are deciding (as much as it can be called a decision) to poop publicly, maybe a further symbol of spite for a society that…

I would imagine that it's a mix. A rise in reports (thanks to the availability of the 311 mobile app and such), as well as a rise in incidents. I don't have much to back up the rise in incidents (besides everyone's general feeling that things have gotten worse on the homeless front, and maybe something to do with the opioid crisis), but it certainly feels that way anecdotally

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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post #47

Pooping is pretty high up on the hierarchy of needs. Higher than social norms. People are going to poop, sleep, eat, etc wether or not a dignified way to perform these functions is available. Solution: provide a dignified way to perform life necessities.

Root cause analysis shows that pooping is caused by eating. By removing all sources of food, you will solve the problem entirely and indirectly!

Let's hurry up and start watering our plants with electrolytes

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or provide safe injection sites so junkies have somewhere to go. Our society’s attitude is “if you don’t pay taxes, you don’t deserve help.” That’s so morally wrong I can’t even explain it without going red in the face, but that’s the situation we’re in.

There are multiple safe injection sites in the tenderloin and SOMA. Also those free, big, green street bathrooms all have biohazard containers.

Gov. Brown struck down the proposed safe injection sites.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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I have a modest proposal to end this problem. There are too many homeless in San Francisco. Additionally, California has too few wolves. I propose that we release wolves into the streets of San Francisco once per month. Only the strong will be able to evade the wolves and the weak and sick will be eaten. This will lower the homeless population will simultaneously helping the wolf population rebound to record numbers.

Problem is wolves also poop on the street. The poop-trade off is very inconclusive.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, the issue is not affordability but the fact that public restrooms are abused and used for dangerous and often illicit activity The former is not preferable because it spreads disease, and instills disdain for the homeless among the community thus decreasing willingness to dedicate resources towards services helping the homeless (thus hurting those homeless that do try to maintain good hygiene). Not to mention,…

Do you honestly believe that someone that is living on the streets, shitting in the open, is thinking about the spread of disease or homelessness PR?

Maybe, maybe not. I'd be hesitant to conclude that people on the streets don't understand the impact of their conduct. I've seen people that are on one hand doing obviously illegal things like processing stolen bikes, but on the other hand take steps to avoid unnecessarily inconveniencing the neighborhood so as to avoid attracting the ire of residents.

Regardless that's largely tangential to the ridiculous claim you made earlier that open defecation is somehow better for the community than using a squat toilet. Not only are you advocating a highly unsanitary activity that can easily lead to hepatitis outbreaks for example (which would disproportionately affect people living on the streets), you're portraying the homeless as some sort of spiteful group that wants to deliberately inflict suffering on the rest of society. I cannot fathom why you thought that comment was productive.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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I have a general theory related to this this article. Disenfranchised people do not take care of the society around them. Rightfully so. If my society doesn't seem to give a shit about me, why should I give a shit about it? If this theory holds true, then graffiti, vandalism, pooping on the streets, and so on, are all symptoms of disenfranchisement. Conversely, go to a neighborhood of homeowners, and look at how well…

That has a lot of assumptions. You can argue the other way with having a sense of ownership and being responsible is what leads to higher quality in your surroundings. Something something, fix broken windows.

I can see that. From personal experience, when I’ve been given the opportunity to own something, such as a project at work, I found a sense of pride in it that I wasn’t expecting. So I am suggesting that providing people the chance to own something can be a transformative experience.
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