Tech Industry-Funded Think Tanks Work to Overturn California Privacy Law

Post by mLuby » Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 12:17 AM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #44

mLuby wrote: post #26

TL;DR: the key is to insulate lawmakers from concentrations of wealth. A law that prevents corporations from spending resources on politics would do this. Or low contribution limits could work, to limit billionaire influence. A lot of comments in this and other privacy threads correctly worry about the combination of "diffuse costs, concentrated benefits" and the electorate's short attention vs sustained private lobb…

True, but we all know the people are so self-enlightened to not stick their neck out. I've been wondering lately if the solution to politics (at least at the state and federal level) would be to have a two level representative democracy. Meaning instead of one person getting the vote for 700K people and being very bribe-able (1 of 435), you have one person actually at the legislature but they have a different role. T…

Post by function_seven » Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 1:02 AM UTC

cmurf wrote: post #60

function_seven wrote: post #51

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I've always wondered if we could scale the term of the law with the vote total. For example, lets say your state legislature has 100 representatives. You could require sunset clauses as follows: 51-55 votes: 2 years 56-60 votes: 5 years 61-80 votes: 10 years 81+ votes: No expiration Then those bills that are narrowly passed would result in a law with a limited shelf-life.

This can be done voluntarily in the bill at the time it's written. If you want to make it compulsory, it'd need to be a city charter amendment, a state constitutional amendment, or a federal constitutional amendment. Doing something like this doesn't just magically happen. It's in fact a kind of law that would be much harder to pass than it just being what it is, which is sometimes used and sometimes not used, on a c…

Post by snarf21 » Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

mLuby wrote: post #61

snarf21 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but we all know the people are so self-enlightened to not stick their neck out. I've been wondering lately if the solution to politics (at least at the state and federal level) would be to have a two level representative democracy. Meaning instead of one person getting the vote for 700K people and being very bribe-able (1 of 435), you have one person actually at the legislature but they have a different role. T…

That sounds like the senate/house of reps with a bias toward inaction. Biases toward action or inaction can be exploited.

Post by ace_of_spades » Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 8:11 PM UTC

4ntonius8lock wrote: post #7

ignoramous wrote: post #5

The fact that a 100% of the think-tanks taking corporate funding (from the likes of Microsoft, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, Google, Airbnb, Uber, Verizon, eBay) are trying to undermine excellent privacy laws passed by California [0] and Illinois state assemblies should come as a surprise to no one. The problem is these think-tanks or variants thereof might end up representing the tech industry in most places where it m…

Is there any law/legal mechanism which could put automatic expiration on new laws? Is there anything I could suggest to my lawmakers for this to happen? I mean, we seem to be following a pattern: Big power wants something that directly and negatively impact the quality of life of the majority of the populace. Populace rises up against this. Big power 'loses'. Big power makes the push again next year. People rise up,…