Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by stetrain » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

jak92 wrote: post #16

nrjames wrote: post #2

Here's the actual Tesla announcement: https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-our-vehicle-lineup "Given the popularity of the Standard Plus relative to the Standard, we have made the decision to simplify our production operations to better optimize cost, minimize complexity and streamline operations. As a result, Model 3 Standard will now be a software-limited version of the Standard Plus, and we are taking it off the onli…

I don't understand. Will they be selling the standard then ? The quote and headline don't seem to match. And no, I haven't read the link. edit: I did read the link and I still don't understand.

They were originally going to sell a physically different Standard Range model. Manually adjusting cloth seats, fewer speakers, a more basic center console, etc.

The update is that they won't be making a physically distinct Standard Range model, it will be physically the same as the $39k model with software limitations.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by xmpir » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

So I guess jailbreaking Teslas will become a thing at some point in the future. If all the limits are software only people will find ways to use the car they own in the way they want...

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by crazysim » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

dv_dt wrote: post #13

nrjames wrote: post #2

Here's the actual Tesla announcement: https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-our-vehicle-lineup "Given the popularity of the Standard Plus relative to the Standard, we have made the decision to simplify our production operations to better optimize cost, minimize complexity and streamline operations. As a result, Model 3 Standard will now be a software-limited version of the Standard Plus, and we are taking it off the onli…

The next paragraph is interesting too: "Its range will be limited by 10%, and several features will be disabled via software (including our onboard music streaming service, navigation with live traffic visualization, and heated seats). Similar to other software-limited vehicles produced in the past, Standard customers will have the option to upgrade to a Standard Plus at any time. Similarly, anyone who has already bo…

Software disabled heated seats?

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by jaxbot » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

pdq wrote: post #12

Per the new lease: "Please note, customers who choose leasing over owning will not have the option to purchase their car at the end of the lease, because with full autonomy coming in the future via an over-the-air software update, we plan to use those vehicles in the Tesla ride-hailing network." Elon once again promising fully autonomous vehicles in 3 years. Also, isn't this a rental? A lease normally has a residual,…

The idea that Tesla could get fully auto vehicles out of the existing Model 3s their building today is laughable. Even top-tier AV companies, with larger teams and far more advanced sensors, can't. There's a huge difference between working 95% of the time, and working well enough for a full auto fleet, and Tesla won't get there with pure cameras and a single front-facing radar. It's possible they could retrofit the old cars with new hardware, but other AV companies have suggested that retrofits aren't automotive-grade enough to last over time (sensor mounts drift too much, etc).

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by stetrain » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #9

Maybe if they hadn't included $5,000+ worth of (fake) "full self-driving" hardware by default into all Model 3s, they wouldn't have needed to do this, and maybe they would've been able to make the base Model 3 a little cheaper, too, which I'm sure would've positively impacted its popularity (I think a $29,900 base Model 3 would be far more popular than Standard Plus). I could understand all the other carmakers being…

Many cars in this class have radar adaptive cruise and 360 cameras. I don't think the hardware here is really that expensive compared to other cars.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by Someone1234 » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

jak92 wrote: post #14

tibbon wrote: post #8

I've been considering a Tesla. Buying the base model with zero options just never really crossed my mind. Seems that's the case for a lot of Tesla buyers. For me it's like buying a base laptop. For my personal one, I'll always max the SSD and memory.

For me, the base model is all I've considered. Mainly because I want a electric car without any bells and whistles.

The Model 3 doesn't even have mechanical door handles, it seems like the polar opposite of "without any bells and whistles."

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #54

FireBeyond wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than the "The car will be able to self-drive, coast to coast, this year" back in Jan/Feb, you mean?

It’s not unreasonable to heavily critique the fact that Tesla deadlines are blown repeatedly, and yet who among us has gone from 0 to 300k+ vehicles manufacturer and sold per year in 12 years and delivered an EV into an elliptical orbit with a privately developed heavy lift vehicle? Don’t say something is impossible while someone else is delivering, slowly and missed deadlines or not. @sbov (deleted reply while I was…

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Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by linuxftw » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:28 PM UTC

oldjokes wrote: post #44

pdq wrote: post #12

Per the new lease: "Please note, customers who choose leasing over owning will not have the option to purchase their car at the end of the lease, because with full autonomy coming in the future via an over-the-air software update, we plan to use those vehicles in the Tesla ride-hailing network." Elon once again promising fully autonomous vehicles in 3 years. Also, isn't this a rental? A lease normally has a residual,…

It's becoming hard to believe anything that Tesla puts out or Elon says. It is a real shame the $35K 3 turned out to be a lie, the amount of PR that phrase has generated over the years is on par with all of SpaceX.

Some of us knew it was a lie from the jump. It's called 'not believing the hype.' I knew it was a bait and switch as soon as it was announced.

Weirdly, this hasn't seemed to tarnish the reputation of tesla in the eyes of it's fans.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by Shivetya » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:28 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #56

twoodfin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone want to lay odds on these cars ending up in a “certified pre-owned” program instead? This seems like a scheme to both boost future new car sales and effectively “sell” the same car twice.

Unless they completely replaced the cells in the battery packs, I'd pass on a pre-owned EV. Even modern battery packs degrade year on year.

Tesla sells a good number of S and X models that are used. People still buy used Leafs and some of those were notorious for battery issues. Unlike Nissan Tesla packs are liquid cooled and managed. So for the most part what many have to move on from is the stereotype incurred by one brand having battery longevity issues affecting the perception of the industry.

However I think it is a good idea to state they have a use for the off lease cars which gives them an out with having to expense new vehicles for such a risk venture; I am not a believer in anyone's autonomy programs.

(disclaimer, I own a TM3)

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:28 PM UTC

gibybo wrote: post #51

_red wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet speak to any experienced embedded developer who actually thinks "full autonomy" is remotely possible in the near/mid term. The suggestions that it is possible, seems to come mainly from junior developers and snake-oil salesman. We don't even have "full autonomous" trains, planes, or trucks yet.

"full autonomy" means lots of different things to different people. Some people think of it as being able to drive anywhere at any time in any condition. This is unlikely to ever happen before AGI. What matters in Tesla's case is more likely being able to drive in some small number of places in specific circumstances without a physical driver in the vehicle (but possibly a remote one to handle unusual circumstances).…

> ...some small number of places in specific circumstances..

Airport parking/shuttle service. They could even augment the AI by using markers in the roadways. That's about as autonomous as we're going to get in the next decade.