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Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by manfredo »

Sytten wrote: post #40

I would be interested in having some stats by education level and profession. From my current personal experience as a CS student, I would say it is easily above 50%.

Generally speaking, academic performance is inversely correlated with sex. In top universities the majority of students are virgins coming into university and a substantial percent (usually in the 25-50% range) are at graduation. Probably due to more time dedicated to study and career growth than relationships. Anecdotally, I've found that in tech and STEM more broadly rates of sex are lower - probably due to the overall gender imbalance means that the majority of people don't have potential partners in their primary social circles.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/09/harvard...

https://thetech.com/2009/10/30/survey-v129-n49

Perhaps conforming to stereotype, apparently at MIT 42% of students overall are virgins while at fraternities this rate was 20%.

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Post by freyir »

dragonwriter wrote: post #56
freyir wrote: post #26

As the article points out, fewer young men are having sex, but roughly the same number of young women are having sex. I wonder if dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, etc.) are leading women to have sex with a smaller cohort of desirable men. Years ago, OkCupid noted that a small percentage of men get an overwhelming percentage of messages from women. With the rise of "swipe right, swipe left" mobile dating apps, where peopl…

> As the article points out, young men are having sex less often, but young women are still having sex at nearly the same rate. No, the article points out thar fewer (proportionately) young men are having sex, while the same proportion of young women are having sex. That's not the same as the less often / same rate description you give. > I wonder if dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, etc.) are leading women to have sex wi…

> fewer (proportionately) young men are having sex,

Thanks. That's what I meant, but I certainly should have worded it better. I've updated my comment.

> If we assume that people with homosexual orientation attempting to conform to a heteronormative society would tend to have more trouble maintaining stable relations and thus cycle through relationships more frequently...

So if I understand you correctly, your theory is that closeted lesbians were sleeping with so many men that it inflated the statistics? And now that homosexual women no longer feel constrained by societal norms, a significant number of men are left with nobody to have sex with?

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by emikulic »

freyir wrote: post #26

As the article points out, fewer young men are having sex, but roughly the same number of young women are having sex. I wonder if dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, etc.) are leading women to have sex with a smaller cohort of desirable men. Years ago, OkCupid noted that a small percentage of men get an overwhelming percentage of messages from women. With the rise of "swipe right, swipe left" mobile dating apps, where peopl…

Re: OkCupid: do you mean this? https://web.archive.org/web/20170330131859/https://theblog.o...

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by RandomInteger4 »

lainga wrote: post #7

Can we look to other cultures where widespread celibacy (especially extramarital) is already practiced for cues as to how this will affect the US?

How do you jump from "men are having disproportionately less sex than women" to "Celibacy is being practiced?"

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by [deleted] »

ianai wrote: post #57
fratlas wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed this disparity within my friend circles. The objectively attractive men match/sleep with multiple woman a month where almost all of the men with near average looks get approximately zero matches. Interesting indeed. My female friends match with almost every male regardless.

I think you’re both onto something. There’s even a likely network effect where those men who sleep around are even more attractive to potential mates. Not as a rule, of course, but as a contributing factor. It’s a very destabilizing trend. Not only are these same men being economically disadvantaged, but they’re being socially isolated. Perfect way to increase violent tendencies, drug addition, and so on.

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Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by gnicholas »

irrational wrote: post #32

>It also won’t do to point to changes over this time period that effected all ages and genders similarly, such as obesity, porn, video games, social media, dating apps, and wariness re harassment claims. I think this is wrong. I don't believe these things effect all ages and genders similarly. For instance, I think we would find that the rate of young men playing video games and watching porn are much higher than for…

Bingo. The fact that something is available to everyone doesn't meant it affects all genders/ages the same. Availability does not equal impact.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by hclalpha »

freyir wrote: post #26

As the article points out, fewer young men are having sex, but roughly the same number of young women are having sex. I wonder if dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, etc.) are leading women to have sex with a smaller cohort of desirable men. Years ago, OkCupid noted that a small percentage of men get an overwhelming percentage of messages from women. With the rise of "swipe right, swipe left" mobile dating apps, where peopl…

This is the old "paradox of choice" reflecting itself from consumerism now on to dating... I don't see any women complaining, yet, as it's been only around 7 years of this dynamic and young women seem to be getting much higher quality partners through this low upfront cost, mainly appearance based process.

However, I expect a lot of the consequences to society will reveal themselves when the female user base grows older, as it'll cause missed opportunity to raise children, childs without father and fathers uninterested in sticking around as they easily find younger partners as age generally favours men in attraction dynamics.

Also, a certain mass of single young men will end up broken in the exercice. They'll either urged to compete in dishonest ways or give up entirely.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by ilaksh »

the_fonz wrote: post #35
PutinIsMyGod wrote: post #12

I honestly believe the rise of incelibacy will lead to increasing destabilization of the US. There's nothing worse for a country than a bunch of lonely angry men without jobs and without sex.

China is far, far worse with the sex ratio being incredibly imbalanced due to the past one child policy. There's a number of documentaries about the craziness and competitiveness of dating in China. People not having sex, not having families (if they so desire) and not making enough money to be comfortable anywhere is a national emergency. American men of any sort can just go to Brazil, Mexico, Ukraine or the Czech R…

I don't have a villa or anything but I have a pretty decent apartment on the beach in Mexico. I work for a startup so I'm not wealthy at all but still am doing better than 80% of men in this country. I'm also have an oddly asymmetrical face and look like I'm sick all the time due to some chronic health problems. Girls are not beating down my door. Actually I gave up on Tinder here awhile ago and I don't try to meet women who are the least bit attractive because its obvious they are not interested.

Prostitution is not really what this article is about, but even as far as that goes, really good looking prostitutes kind of try to avoid the ugly guys (although they won't actually say no, they just generally aren't enthusiastic). I have kind of proven that on a few occasions.

Anyway this is kind of a long way of saying that there is a limit to how far being American or "a shift in attitude" will take you as far as sex if you're unattractive. Its not a substantive part of my life and that's something I've just had to accept. I have more or less substituted that with masturbation on the internet to be honest.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by gnicholas »

In a way, this mirrors how technological advances have created winner-take-all markets in other areas. Thanks to CDs (and then the internet), we can now all listen to the very best musicians in the world — where previously we just had to settle for whoever was the best in our town.

Similarly, technology may be shifting the dating/intimacy market toward a winners-take-most equilibrium, which favors the most attractive young men.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by RandomInteger4 »

ianai wrote: post #19
saagarjha wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article seems to focus on the United States, where there really isn't an imbalance.

Except that 20s-30s men are competing directly against other, college aged men. And maybe that’s enough. Edit-another pet theory is a changing climate. Cultures in drier climates tend to be more sexually conservative. A large portion of the US has been in drought conditions for decades

You seem to be misunderstanding this thread. The OP was referring to sex imbalance as a matter of chromosomal sex, as in more men than women in countries like India / China.

Granted, as has been pointed out by the parent comment to yours, this study is referring to the US specifically, where there are more women than men in 40 states (https://www.statista.com/statistics/301946/us-population-mal...)

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