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Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by Sendotsh »

defertoreptar wrote: post #27

When I first saw the subreddit, I thought it was a neat idea. I like the idea of digging into a tough subject and challenging our beliefs. I couldn't put my finger on it for the longest time, but what I eventually realized was that I didn't like how inauthentic the whole thing felt. Changing a deeply held belief just isn't that easy, yet almost every thread has the OP giving a delta. How it appears to me is that peop…

> How it appears to me is that people have beliefs that they realize are either unpopular or controversial, and so they use the subreddit to learn what they "should" believe or at least a rationalization for ignoring their true beliefs.

A large portion of Reddit in general (especially the front page and popular subreddits) is people making up stories/opinions/content created specifically to illicit as many replies and argument as possible, as that's what gets more votes and attention. It's a popularity contest, not a place for genuine discussion.

You see it here too, to a lesser extent. You see it everywhere there's likes/upvotes tied to accounts. People compete for the high score.

I still personally think forums were/are a better format for discussion. Just a flowing conversation where general activity in a thread bumps it up and not votes.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by BucketSort »

scarejunba wrote: post #47
BucketSort wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need the discoverability Reddit provides.

This is just reinventing webrings haha

"All intelligent thoughts have already been thought; what is necessary is only to try to think them again" - Goethe

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by InTheArena »

Let's be honest about a different factor here - even if ChangeAView doesn't take off, I doubt CMR has much of a future. There are few places on Reddit where any sort of divergent view is accepted by the board, by the mods, and the community in general. Maybe CMV continues to stick around, but given how polarized it reddit has become, it's doubtful that there is room for a subreddit that encourages open, critical thought..

(I say this, after finally throwing in the towel and unsubscribing from /politics today. Even as a nevertrumper, the daily drumbeat of vitriol against anyone who doesn't exhibit perfect ideological conformance is staggering)..

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by moojd »

sschueller wrote: post #33
rolleiflex wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is, Aether. ( https://getaether.net ) Funnily enough, it also implements some of the stuff mentioned here, like public visibility of moderation log so the users can see what mods are doing, and with which justification. (Disclosure: I’m the creator - prior HN discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18370208 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19161171 )

I can't find the source on the site. Can you please add a github link? https://github.com/nehbit/aether I had to go search in some reddit thread to find it since if you search for aether you get a legacy project from Eclipse. Also the source on github does not appear to be up to date with the version that is download from the site. (2.0.0-dev.6+1811211332.746ec27e.d on git hub and the one I downloaded is 2.0.0-dev.11…

It's not really an open source project (at least right now.) He's developing in a private repo and pushing releases to github every now and then. I don't want to speak for rolleiflex but he has mentioned in other threads that he is working full time on it and isn't really interested in public contributions or the politics involved of maintaining an open source project at the moment.

Link to aether thread: aether://board/86e782e80681ac580b4d6d102b12e787c066e59f194fee57bb0bf83cc1e42fc6/thread/e4871294ed115310e029a3b4c37b378ffefa7de490ef5b58bb1aeb1b1cbbea1e

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by SiempreViernes »

defertoreptar wrote: post #27

When I first saw the subreddit, I thought it was a neat idea. I like the idea of digging into a tough subject and challenging our beliefs. I couldn't put my finger on it for the longest time, but what I eventually realized was that I didn't like how inauthentic the whole thing felt. Changing a deeply held belief just isn't that easy, yet almost every thread has the OP giving a delta. How it appears to me is that peop…

This is a silly objection! The rules of cmw requires you to only make threads about things were you are open to having your view changed.

The aim is modest: just to change op’s view on a topic of their choice, not completely reverse it like the priests in age of empires do.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#66

Post by [deleted] »

scarejunba wrote: post #46
egypturnash wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s patches floating around to change the limit on Masto, too. My instance limits you to 7777, and requires you to put it behind a CW if it’s more than 777. I know of an instance that gives you unlimited text if it’s behind a CW.

What's a CW?

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Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by jachee »

Change my view: Verb forms of "graduate" which have a direct object should be followed by "from" unless they're referring to the act of calibration.

"Jimmy graduated from college." Not "Jimmy graduated college."

Alternately acceptable exception that proves the rule: "State College graduated 1500 students this year."

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by darkpuma »

Sendotsh wrote: post #61
defertoreptar wrote: post #27

When I first saw the subreddit, I thought it was a neat idea. I like the idea of digging into a tough subject and challenging our beliefs. I couldn't put my finger on it for the longest time, but what I eventually realized was that I didn't like how inauthentic the whole thing felt. Changing a deeply held belief just isn't that easy, yet almost every thread has the OP giving a delta. How it appears to me is that peop…

> How it appears to me is that people have beliefs that they realize are either unpopular or controversial, and so they use the subreddit to learn what they "should" believe or at least a rationalization for ignoring their true beliefs. A large portion of Reddit in general (especially the front page and popular subreddits) is people making up stories/opinions/content created specifically to illicit as many replies an…

Even the traditional PHP forum has all kinds of senseless 'flare' on each post. Post counts, signup dates, eye catching signatures, etc. A large portion of the screen space on your typical forum is still dedicated to attention seeking behavior.

IRC is better. There is very little on screen besides the discussion itself. IRC nicks can be used to grab attention, but there are only a few characters to work with so usually it's just a bit quirky but not really distracting.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by reaperducer »

jachee wrote: post #67

Change my view: Verb forms of "graduate" which have a direct object should be followed by "from" unless they're referring to the act of calibration. "Jimmy graduated from college." Not "Jimmy graduated college." Alternately acceptable exception that proves the rule: "State College graduated 1500 students this year."

"Jimmy graduated from college." Not "Jimmy graduated college."

See also: "Oil needs to be changed." Not "Oil needs changed."

People are afraid of "to be" these days.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

darkpuma wrote: post #68
Sendotsh wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How it appears to me is that people have beliefs that they realize are either unpopular or controversial, and so they use the subreddit to learn what they "should" believe or at least a rationalization for ignoring their true beliefs. A large portion of Reddit in general (especially the front page and popular subreddits) is people making up stories/opinions/content created specifically to illicit as many replies an…

Even the traditional PHP forum has all kinds of senseless 'flare' on each post. Post counts, signup dates, eye catching signatures, etc. A large portion of the screen space on your typical forum is still dedicated to attention seeking behavior. IRC is better. There is very little on screen besides the discussion itself. IRC nicks can be used to grab attention, but there are only a few characters to work with so usual…

Let's make a web-browser-accessible persistent IRC with threads and no scores?
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