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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by newnewpdro »

viraptor wrote: post #53
geowwy wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His choice is either stay in the embassy or extradition to the US where he will face a very severe penalties, possibly the death sentence. Technically he's not being held against his will. But the reality is he can't leave.

> possibly the death sentence. What? Is there any reasonable source claiming that's remotely possible?

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/11/assange_death_penal...

Penalties have gone pretty sideways in the US when it comes to being associated with terrorism, and what qualifies as terrorism extremely broad and nebulous.

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Post by Krasnol »

His development from a someone with a idea that could have made whistle blowing a trend, to a FSB asset and annoying twitter troll is really...unfortunate. I wonder what his right wing followers in the US will say when US agents pick him up in the UK.

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Post by cm2187 »

sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

I agree with free Snowden. But Manning and Assange had a history of leaking unredacted personal information that is indefensible. In the case of Manning, I might add that the leak didn’t show any major wrong doing. It illustrated some case of collateral damage, which we always knew (and the US military keeps public records of). It showed the underbelly of the US diplomacy, which turns out to be rather clean (some ambassadors commenting that the memos look generally very insightful and professional). And it caused some red faces of people who shared thoughts with US diplomats in confidence, and I don’t see how that could possibly be a good thing. Assange and Manning is really leaking for the sole purpose of leaking.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by faissaloo »

sgt wrote: post #48
sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

Free Ross Ulbricht as well. I feel more for him, to be honest. https://freeross.org

Why would anyone support this, the man is a psychopath willing to make money any way he can

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by acqq »

kzrdude wrote: post #47
sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

Thanks for the reminder - Manning is currently not free https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/08/chelsea-mann...

"The judge said she will remain jailed until she testifies or until the grand jury concludes its work."

Wow. Not even some specific number of months or anything. Appears not as a punishment but a blackmail. (edit: yes I miss the right word for this is, there is certainly a better one, I'd be happy to read a better one; edit2: right, extortion, thanks).

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by ohhNoes »

idlewords wrote: post #24
whamlastxmas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly propaganda, and there was only the single source that as we can clearly see now was adversarial.

Consistent with many descriptions of what it was like to have Assange on one's sofa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le3jrp6LzjI

Those people are so smarmy and pathetic that it's pretty laughable to hear them whine. Which, I guess, is the intended effect of the video.

The complaints are so underwhelming that you wonder if these people have ever been on a camping trip, or, dare I say, drank an entire beer in one evening.

It's like, you really have to wonder, what if he were so bold as to place a plastic yogurt cup in the recycle bin without rinsing it out first? Is he capable of such things? After watching that video, I just don't know anymore...

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by hanniabu »

newnewpdro wrote: post #60
invalidusernam3 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He definitely should have been locked up, but a double life sentence plus forty years without the possibility of parole for selling drugs on the internet seems like overkill

Sure, if "selling drugs on the internet" were his only crime. I vaguely recall reading he (unsuccessfully) paid to assassinate people. Edit: Read it here https://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1/ Later that day, DPR messaged Nob. DREAD: ok, so can you change the order to execute rather than torture? DREAD: he was on the inside for a while, and now that he’s been arrested, I’m afraid he’ll give up info.

That was never proven, yet they used an unproven accusation in the case against him and nobody seemed to think that was an issue.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by invalidusernam3 »

newnewpdro wrote: post #60
invalidusernam3 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He definitely should have been locked up, but a double life sentence plus forty years without the possibility of parole for selling drugs on the internet seems like overkill

Sure, if "selling drugs on the internet" were his only crime. I vaguely recall reading he (unsuccessfully) paid to assassinate people. Edit: Read it here https://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1/ Later that day, DPR messaged Nob. DREAD: ok, so can you change the order to execute rather than torture? DREAD: he was on the inside for a while, and now that he’s been arrested, I’m afraid he’ll give up info.

That's part of the controversy, everyone vaguely recalls that but is unaware that those accusations weren't even brought to trial (https://freeross.org/uncharged-crimes/). He was convicted of money laundering, computer hacking, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics by means of the Internet.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by antt »

Krasnol wrote: post #62

His development from a someone with a idea that could have made whistle blowing a trend, to a FSB asset and annoying twitter troll is really...unfortunate. I wonder what his right wing followers in the US will say when US agents pick him up in the UK.

The only unfortunate thing is how many people turned on him when he started exposing people who they liked. Turns out that all the people who I thought were on the side of truth in the Bush years were just on the side of Democrats.

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Post by antt »

fastball wrote: post #32
Despegar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Especially since his organization has or had the motto: "to publish fact-based stories without fear or favour". I honestly can't believe why anyone thought this after he published the first thing that put Wikileaks on the map, the embarrassing Collateral Murder video. It's funny because before that came out, I considered donating money to Wikileaks because I thought it'd be more like an organization like Wikipedia.…

You don't think Collateral Murder should've been released?

He editorialized that video to hell and back, removing audio which humanized the chopper pilots, condensing 40 minutes into 2, and a whole bunch of other editorial tricks to make the people getting murdered more sympathetic.

The only difference was that it was under a Republican administration and Democrats were all for it.

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