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Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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To the entire thread below this, to understand what people around you are doing, you need to understand that there are elements of human communication in which people are deliberately ambiguous . (Not always conciously , but quite deliberately .) It's a huge element of all of the standard human courtship rituals (all the real ones, not the ones that people claim to be using), it's used to speak in plausibly deniable…

Hey Jerf, maybe this helps. A good recipe for laughter, is to mix a danger signal with a safety signal. The signals might be physical, like almost falling or tickles. The signals might be grammatical, puns (mistaking one word for another). The signals might be social, things that almost can't be said. I'm sure you can think of examples. Now, always send safety signals ahead, first build trust and pay attention to how…

That is good, thanks.

I wonder if there is a pre-existing manual for this sort of thing already published? A quick Amazon search didn't produce anything I was looking for.

Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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People will argue that you should be able to convey your message clearly in plain English but those people don't realise that: - Not everyone masters English (even when it's your mother tongue, not everyone has access to the same education to be able to use it perfectly) - Languages are complex, we don't talk with words only, we use facial expressions and gestures, emojis help mimic those when only words are availabl…

One problem with emojis is that they represent different graphics on different clients, which can subtly change the apparent meaning.

Yeah. The gun emoji being a water gun on Apple platforms is a prime example of this—I'm almost surprised there hasn't been a news story yet where a playful "Bring your :gun: to school tomorrow for water day" was badly misinterpreted due to platform differences.

Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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> Despite the potential for emoji to be interpreted in a wide array of ways, emoji experts don’t really exist. “Emoji usually have dialects. They draw meaning from their context. You could absolutely talk about emoji as a phenomenon, but as for what a particular emoji means, you probably wouldn’t go to a linguist. You would probably go to someone who’s familiar with that community, just like they did with the sex tra…

emojis are not something strictly defined. They vary across messaging platforms and clients, or versions of clients. Sometimes it means that the person sending them sees a different image then the recepient, which also can lead do different interpretation

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Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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Hey Jerf, maybe this helps. A good recipe for laughter, is to mix a danger signal with a safety signal. The signals might be physical, like almost falling or tickles. The signals might be grammatical, puns (mistaking one word for another). The signals might be social, things that almost can't be said. I'm sure you can think of examples. Now, always send safety signals ahead, first build trust and pay attention to how…

That is good, thanks. I wonder if there is a pre-existing manual for this sort of thing already published? A quick Amazon search didn't produce anything I was looking for.

Well, there are guides, but none good enough that I remember. More generally, not specifically about humor, but about that kind of vision of human nature, read The Naked Ape.

Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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Emoji have really filled a gap, where words typed on the internet were missing some context of how they are supposed to be read. And nowadays, whether or not I add the eggplant emoji to the end of a whatsapp message can really change how it's interpreted, and gives me less to excuse myself should it come up in court. But really, anything that removes doubt and clarity from a conversation has got to be a good thing. H…

People will argue that you should be able to convey your message clearly in plain English but those people don't realise that: - Not everyone masters English (even when it's your mother tongue, not everyone has access to the same education to be able to use it perfectly) - Languages are complex, we don't talk with words only, we use facial expressions and gestures, emojis help mimic those when only words are availabl…

People will also argue that people have used written communication and done without eggplants and whatnot for centuries -- even though it would have been even easier to do so with pen and paper (i.e. free drawing in hand-written letters).

Other people would argue that Emojis are an illusion of communication. People right here are commenting that the difference in their graphic representation on different platforms sometimes change their meaning!?

I would argue that we didn't need anything beyond (basic) ASCII smiley. The rest are toys, not communication devices. When you have dozens of them you need some sort of dictionary, and at this point I suggest you should learn Chinese instead, if you like to write with symbols that much.

Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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One problem with emojis is that they represent different graphics on different clients, which can subtly change the apparent meaning.

Yeah. The gun emoji being a water gun on Apple platforms is a prime example of this—I'm almost surprised there hasn't been a news story yet where a playful "Bring your :gun: to school tomorrow for water day" was badly misinterpreted due to platform differences.

This reminded me of an issue with emoji in slack... then you type ":)" slack changes it to the emoji, but when you hover over it you see ":slightly_smiling_face:"... the first time I saw this I thought that the message was passive aggressive... it was later that I realize that slack does the change automatically

Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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You could literally replace that emoji with the well known phrase "wink, wink." It is well understood and avoids the ambiguity of emoji.

I'm not a native English speaker, but I associate the phrase "wink, wink" with lechery more than with flirting. That said, I also don't usually associate the wink emoji with flirting, but more with tongue-in-cheek fun. Context matters I guess.

https://youtu.be/4Kwh3R0YjuQ

Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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> Despite the potential for emoji to be interpreted in a wide array of ways, emoji experts don’t really exist. “Emoji usually have dialects. They draw meaning from their context. You could absolutely talk about emoji as a phenomenon, but as for what a particular emoji means, you probably wouldn’t go to a linguist. You would probably go to someone who’s familiar with that community, just like they did with the sex tra…

emojis are not something strictly defined. They vary across messaging platforms and clients, or versions of clients. Sometimes it means that the person sending them sees a different image then the recepient, which also can lead do different interpretation

The meaning of words also differs between dialects and even idiolects. If you ask one person what an emoji means, chances are they will tell you how they interpret it.

Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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Aren't you being a bit negative here?

Not in the slightest. I am, however, demonstrating that I was raised by lawyers and writers. As a point of clarification, I'm all for emoji men and gifs in personal communication. I'm probably the biggest giphy user in any given slack group, but only once I feel comfortable with the other channel participants. One of the first things I do is install the cult of the party parrot emoji pack. But for any communication w…

Certainly, including emoji in say... a contract negotiation could introduce unwanted ambiguity, but that's absolutely not an argument against using text-based messaging platforms for that purpose. Instead, the fact that misunderstandings could be costly is an argument for using precise language for those kinds of discussions regardless of media.
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