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French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by enriquto »

Someone1234 wrote: post #20
solstice wrote: post #4

Why do the French have such a hard-on for copyright enforcement? (Honest question)

The French really love their language, traditional publishers continue to publish in French whereas new-tech is more often in English or other languages. So I'd argue that the French have a love-affair with traditional publishing, and traditional publishing loves draconian copyright rules. The whole thing is almost a culture war for the French people's soul by-proxy.

> The French really love their language, traditional publishers continue to publish in French whereas new-tech is more often in English or other languages.

This sentence is ridiculous and has nothing to do with scihub and libgen. Most french researchers are perfectly happy using these sites, and dislike strongly the draconian schemes of scientific journal publishers (which publish texts mostly in english). Several people are pushing for french university libraries to stop paying subscriptions to journals and give all that money directly to scihub. Yet, these initiatives are always blocked at higher levels.

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Post by petre »

ptaipale wrote: post #27
ams6110 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess because it's the law, and governments are supposed to enforce the law.

I'm slightly baffled by the difference, though, as some other laws are not enforced. For instance, the case where directors of a tyre manufacturer were forcibly taken hostage and physically abused by the workers. Normally, you'd send in the police, arrest hostage-takers and give them long imprisonment.

They have very big and powerful unions that could call for a general strike and paralyse the country. So rather than sending SWAT teams to shoot people, they negotiate.

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Post by yason »

larkeith wrote: post #54

How difficult would it be to host one or more IPFS nodes with the files on Sci-Hub (and a directory thereof)? My understanding is that would be infeasible to block, and quite probably cheaper to host, as oft-requested papers would get mirrored.

Hard to block, yes, but the problem would be to find people who'd publicly share a copy or parts of scihub from their IP address.

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Post by cm2187 »

larkeith wrote: post #54

How difficult would it be to host one or more IPFS nodes with the files on Sci-Hub (and a directory thereof)? My understanding is that would be infeasible to block, and quite probably cheaper to host, as oft-requested papers would get mirrored.

If you have access to a cloud service/servers, you don’t even need to do that. Your server is on the other side of these blocks, just rent a VM for a few minutes, RDP/VNC into it and surf the web without any ISP constraint.

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Post by edwinyzh »

ndnxhs wrote: post #45
drewmol wrote: post #10

>The court order targets a total of 57 domain names, including various mirror sites. The academic publishers had asked the court for a more flexible blocklist, which they could update whenever new domains would become available, but this was denied. If the publishers want to expand the blocklist, they will have to go back to court. This ensures that there remains judicial oversight over local website blockades. Also,…

Its always DNS first and everyone says "lol, just change your DNS" and then they start doing real blocks. Optus in Australia did an IP level block of 4chan recently.

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but I don't know much about 4chan - why block 4chan?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by atemerev »

Western countries are becoming increasingly like China and Russia. UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, France, Germany, New Zealand... So far, only the US still holds some resemblance to “protecting the freedom of speech” — sure, copyright violators are pursued, but at least nobody is trying to censor the Internet... yet.

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Post by orbifold »

titanix2 wrote: post #55
xvilka wrote: post #2

Would be interesting to measure the negative impact on a French science. Not sure how much though.

Probably some negative impact. Sci-hub is the primary and in some case only way to access paywalled papers at master and undergrad level. I’m not sure how PhD students get access to them but if it through libraries this is bad for them as the opening days and hours of such institutions is limited. Even more so which strikes which sometimes close a library for weeks.

You can typically get any paper your university library has a subscription to via the libraries online portal or if you are in the university network already at the undergraduate and masters level. If some journal is not available at the library you can request an interlibrary „loan“ which just means that someone at another library will copy the article and send it to you, typically for free.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by strictfp »

ndnxhs wrote: post #45
drewmol wrote: post #10

>The court order targets a total of 57 domain names, including various mirror sites. The academic publishers had asked the court for a more flexible blocklist, which they could update whenever new domains would become available, but this was denied. If the publishers want to expand the blocklist, they will have to go back to court. This ensures that there remains judicial oversight over local website blockades. Also,…

Its always DNS first and everyone says "lol, just change your DNS" and then they start doing real blocks. Optus in Australia did an IP level block of 4chan recently.

Yeah, everyone is so defiant that they don't realize that IP and VPN blocks are coming if we continue down this road.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by zeta0134 »

edwinyzh wrote: post #66
ndnxhs wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its always DNS first and everyone says "lol, just change your DNS" and then they start doing real blocks. Optus in Australia did an IP level block of 4chan recently.

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but I don't know much about 4chan - why block 4chan?

4chan is a relatively popular anonymous image board, based on a Japanese language image board (2ch) but with mostly English language users. It's administration are known to be quite lax with content; if it's not outright illegal to host they'll generally let it slide in their NSFW boards. To use a recent example, their Adult GIF board right now, while flooded mostly with pornography, is currently housing uncensored footage from the recent mass shooting.

Thanks to the lack of user accounts needed to use the site, pretty much everyone checks their social filter at the door, and it's earned some unfavorable comparisons. Given its reputation I'm not surprised to hear it's the subject of censorship.

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