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Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by ihuman »

kevinherron wrote: post #18
voxic11 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are misconstruing the aims of the right to repair movement. Its nothing to do with forcing companies to make it "easy" to repair, but rather about preventing companies from including "features" which serve no purpose besides preventing third party repair. An example would be a tractor that is designed to be cheaply serviceable, but has a feature which disables any replaced parts until a message signed by…

You're right, I remember this initially, but many discussions about right to repair get hijacked and center around topics like iFixit and their blatantly self-serving anti-Apple campaigns.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Until recently I also thought that's what the "right to repair" movement/legislation was about.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by smileybarry »

This is probably already used for countries where Apple has no local presence. Here in Israel there are no Apple labs, so up till this year iPhones had to be shipped to Apple Ireland for repairs. (but Macs and iPads could be repaired by authorized, non-Apple labs due to a less-stringent repair policy)

Recently the news reported of a specific authorized reseller gaining the option to repair iPhones here, and sometimes even outright replace them -- all authorized by Apple. Maybe this programme made that possible.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by lightedman »

smush wrote: post #2

So I admit being pessimistic about actually getting Right to Repair laws passed. Lawmakers keep being told that 'it stifles innovation' and since they often have as limited understanding of technology as I do as to the innards of political wheel-greasing they often fall for that tripe. Are there any known Right to Repair statutes (US or Int'l) or bills that show signs of life?

Anti-tying provisions of the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by enobrev »

danet wrote: post #56

That is why I'm holding to my 2011 ThinkPad T420 for dear life. I replaced keyboard 3 times ($30-$40 off ebay), changed HDD to SSD, and replaced CD-ROM with another SATA drive bay. Not having USB3 is annoying, the CPU is a little slow and the batteries aren't what they used to be, but the things still works and gives me no problems. I would like to get something smaller and lighter but all the affordable light laptop…

I've been building my desktop (and now servers) for 25 years. The idea of taking my computer in to a store to fix a drive or ram or worse, buying a new one because of a hardware issue is absolutely foreign to me.

I had hoped laptops would be just as easy to tweak and build by now but it seems the world favors the apple way.

I'm going to keep building. It's _far_ less expensive. I can tweak my system to fit my needs and adjust as my needs change. And I have a solid understanding of the most used tool in my life.

Also things like PC part picker make it so much simpler than it used to be that I barely even need to think about it any more.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by errantspark »

danet wrote: post #56

That is why I'm holding to my 2011 ThinkPad T420 for dear life. I replaced keyboard 3 times ($30-$40 off ebay), changed HDD to SSD, and replaced CD-ROM with another SATA drive bay. Not having USB3 is annoying, the CPU is a little slow and the batteries aren't what they used to be, but the things still works and gives me no problems. I would like to get something smaller and lighter but all the affordable light laptop…

I don't think this really holds water. I bought a Thinkpad L380 recently, it was a great computer with upgradable ram and ssd. I ended up returning it because of the lack of a ThunderBolt 3 port, but if it had one of those I think it would have been near perfect.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by cogburnd02 »

danet wrote: post #56

That is why I'm holding to my 2011 ThinkPad T420 for dear life. I replaced keyboard 3 times ($30-$40 off ebay), changed HDD to SSD, and replaced CD-ROM with another SATA drive bay. Not having USB3 is annoying, the CPU is a little slow and the batteries aren't what they used to be, but the things still works and gives me no problems. I would like to get something smaller and lighter but all the affordable light laptop…

> Not having USB3 is annoying

You could get an expresscard to USB3 card?

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by iguy »

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC wrote: post #22
duado wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making something that’s easy to take apart often makes it bigger, because interfaces need to be modularized. I’ve never needed to open one of my iPhones and would not want them 1mm thicker to be repairable.

> Making something that’s easy to take apart often makes it bigger, because interfaces need to be modularized. So, you can still make it mandatory where you don't need to make things bigger?

But who decides? There is going to be a ministry of "did it need to be so compact?" staffed by disinterested experts?

I'd love more things to be fixable but this kind of micro-management sounds terrifying.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by mgkimsal »

jandrese wrote: post #58
wlesieutre wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember in the old iBooks back when WiFi was a new thing you could order without it and install your own card later in about 15 seconds. There were little sprung pull tabs between some of the function keys, pull them back, lift the keyboard out, AirPort card slot was right there. RAM slots too. And the removable keyboard , gosh! Those keyboards didn’t just shit the bed if a piece of dust got in them, but even if t…

Yeah but it was half a centimeter thicker, and therefore useless to today's Apple.

half a centimeter thicker? .04 pounds heavier? how did people even use machines that heavy and thick? did they come with medical insurance to help with the back strain?!

/s from an annoyed-with-the-touchbar-mbp-users

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by jbverschoor »

ihuman wrote: post #59
smacktoward wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm old enough to remember the days of the "cheese grater" Power Mac/Mac Pro, when Apple would explicitly call attention to how expandable and user-serviceable a case they'd designed for it. How times change!

It hasn't been that long since the tower-style Mac Pro. The current design only came out in 2013.

And was introduced 2003. 16 years ago.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Post by blhack »

voxic11 wrote: post #9
kevinherron wrote: post #5

I guess I believe in this "right to repair" movement, but only so far as to ensure that if you're capable of taking your device apart and putting it back together without breaking anything that you don't automatically void some warranty. I don't believe manufacturers should have to build things to be easy to take apart, to be replaceable or upgradeable, or anything else along those lines. I'd rather see legislation t…

I think you are misconstruing the aims of the right to repair movement. Its nothing to do with forcing companies to make it "easy" to repair, but rather about preventing companies from including "features" which serve no purpose besides preventing third party repair. An example would be a tractor that is designed to be cheaply serviceable, but has a feature which disables any replaced parts until a message signed by…

Lots of the things people don't like about apple are likely just to make their manufacturing process simpler.
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