Different lifestyles work for different people. I know Seth -- he's energized and motivated by the work at hand. He's happiest when he's working. That doesn't mean he doesn't know how to have fun. We were racing bicycles around Google Ventures just for kicks. He's also 21 -- he doesn't have a family he has to worry about. In fact, I'd say his employees and his company are his family. I like work and life balance, but…
Seth Priebatsch: Get a life
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Re: Seth Priebatsch: Get a life
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I'd like to buy enough downvotes to make this comment disappear forever. A startup is still a job, and a job is still only part of your life. There are jobs before and jobs after, but nobody lays on their deathbed wishing they would have spent _less_ time with their family.
You write: "nobody lays on their deathbed wishing they would have spent _less_ time with their family" I keep seeing this idea repeated time after time, yet I've never seen any formal study of this issue. I know this idea has been asserted by some people with very large followings. Stephen Covey, in his book "The 7 Habits Of Highly Effective People" asserts nearly the identical sentiment that you've expressed here. A…
So first off, as a #1 employee in a startup that had a baby right during the early stage, I'm living proof of the fallacy of your judgement. I pull off the work-life balance thing pretty well (stay-at-home mom helps a lot), and my effectiveness at work is not diminished. The fact is that commitments at home give me an ongoing sense of urgency that keeps my overall productivity up without inducing burnout the way 18-hour days do. And in any case, the variance between individuals is far greater than the variance between hours worked. You'd be a fool to hire lesser talent just because they're willing to work 80 hours a week.
More to the point about this last comment, you're absolutely right to think about future regrets. Having a family is a big sacrifice, and it will not necessarily make you happy. On the other hand, slaving away at startups, even if you find financial success may not make you happy either. Today's media culture (of which silicon valley porn is a significant part these days) programs our ego with all kinds of beliefs about happiness: if I'm rich I'll be happy, if I'm famous I'll be happy, if my talent is recognized I'll be happy, but the belief doesn't make them true. The sad truth may be that nothing will make you happy, and you are destined to be miserable, or vice-versa. It may be that the greatest accomplishments require a certain discontent, and in fact you care more about the accomplishment than the happiness. It's a mess that you have to sort out for yourself. Anyone preaching how others should live their life is invested in a particular belief system that may or may not apply to you. When you are making these kinds of decisions I think deep soul searching is the only way to go. I wouldn't place too much stock in other people's regrets, because there's no way you can sort out the baggage underlying someone's stated beliefs to really get a read on how it might apply to you. Instead your only recourse is to go with your gut. This is the ultimate gift and curse of living in a free society.
Re: Seth Priebatsch: Get a life
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This is more autistic than sociopathic. It's quite possible that he won't burn out, simply because he really isn't interested in socialization.
Do you know that the man in question is in fact autistic? Austism and Aspergers are conditions that get casually assigned to geeks with eccentric or anomalous behaviours far too often. Given the degree to which the founder in question is functioning, it's medically unlikely that he has either condition. Meanwhile, I believe that being averse to forming complex friend relationships combined with creating a culture of…
Sociopathic is what it isn't.
Re: Seth Priebatsch: Get a life
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Only after Mac got successful. If not, it won't be the best times of their lives. Here's another bet: ask them if they want to do that again for at least 2 more times with different companies and unknown leaders, wonder if they'll take it.
Disagree, but anecdotally so. I look back with extreme fondness on a 5-month period of my life in 1998/1999 when I was working 80-hour weeks on a project that was ultimately doomed to market failure. I learned a tremendous amount, and my team accomplished some truly great things that will forever occupy a warm spot in my memories. Most of the people I worked with on this project agree heartily with this sentiment. Yo…
Re: Seth Priebatsch: Get a life
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You write: "nobody lays on their deathbed wishing they would have spent _less_ time with their family" I keep seeing this idea repeated time after time, yet I've never seen any formal study of this issue. I know this idea has been asserted by some people with very large followings. Stephen Covey, in his book "The 7 Habits Of Highly Effective People" asserts nearly the identical sentiment that you've expressed here. A…
This is much better than your original comment which was muddied by a grand pronouncement about kids and startups. In this comment you acknowledge individual differences, and you take some conventional wisdom to task. In the former comment you jump up on a soap box and proclaim what people with kids should do. So first off, as a #1 employee in a startup that had a baby right during the early stage, I'm living proof o…
The fact that this idea is unpopular does not make it untrue.
You can downvote it as much as you want, but it still remains true.
This is Hacker News. This is forum for bluntness and truthfulness when it comes to the entrepreneurial life. We should not shy away from a truth just because it makes us uncomfortable. This is a forum where we all expect frank conversations about the trade-offs that we face when we pursue the opportunities presented by a startup.
If you have children, then you will have less time for your startup. It's as simple as that.
Re: Seth Priebatsch: Get a life
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Do you know that the man in question is in fact autistic? Austism and Aspergers are conditions that get casually assigned to geeks with eccentric or anomalous behaviours far too often. Given the degree to which the founder in question is functioning, it's medically unlikely that he has either condition. Meanwhile, I believe that being averse to forming complex friend relationships combined with creating a culture of…
I didn't say he was autistic. I said the described behaviour is autistic. Which it is. Sociopathic is what it isn't.
By your logic, anything someone does that is sufficiently abnormal qualifies as autistic. I guess I'd hope that you'd step away from this conversation and stop calling non-autistic people autistic. "Weird and frustrating" is probably more appropriate anyhow.
Re: Seth Priebatsch: Get a life
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I didn't say he was autistic. I said the described behaviour is autistic. Which it is. Sociopathic is what it isn't.
You are just being argumentative. Autism is a condition, not a type of behaviour that you can opt-in to. By your logic, anything someone does that is sufficiently abnormal qualifies as autistic. I guess I'd hope that you'd step away from this conversation and stop calling non-autistic people autistic. "Weird and frustrating" is probably more appropriate anyhow.
Certainly there are traits that are well established as being "autistic" and "sociopathic". This is the former, not the latter -- the latter is characterized by a more predatory or ambitious nature, which this guy seems to lack, at least by his own descriptions. It's morelike he doesn't see the point in socialization. Sociopaths, on the contrary, are very social.
And, despite the fact that you keep claiming I did so, I did not call him autistic, and the first time you accused me of calling him autistic, I said that wasn't true. I guess I'd hope I wouldn't have to tell you things twice.
Re: Seth Priebatsch: Get a life
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This is much better than your original comment which was muddied by a grand pronouncement about kids and startups. In this comment you acknowledge individual differences, and you take some conventional wisdom to task. In the former comment you jump up on a soap box and proclaim what people with kids should do. So first off, as a #1 employee in a startup that had a baby right during the early stage, I'm living proof o…
I realize that my point is unpopular, however, it remains true: if you do not have children, then you will have more time for your startup. The fact that this idea is unpopular does not make it untrue. You can downvote it as much as you want, but it still remains true. This is Hacker News. This is forum for bluntness and truthfulness when it comes to the entrepreneurial life. We should not shy away from a truth just…
You claim you want frank discussion, but then you reduce the whole debate to a time equation. The problem is that it's only as simple if you measure success by hours worked. As someone who has pulled many many 100 hour weeks, I can tell you that I'm more effective in 40 hours now then I used to be in 80. This may not be true for everybody (I'm not trying to tell anyone how to live their lives), but for me, I draw energy and inspiration from the downtime. I'm in touch with real human beings outside the echo chamber, giving me insight into building products that normal people will buy. When I get to the office, most of the time I know I have only until 6pm to get my todo list done. When I was single and working 100 hour weeks, it was easy to get caught on tangents, or work when over-tired, because hey I have 12 hours on Saturday and 12 hours on Sunday to catch up.
Limiting your work hours can be constraint that leads to increased creativity and effectiveness. It also creates a buffer when you really do need to put in extra effort to make a critical deadline. Time spent away from work lets your subconscious process things and come to more optimal solutions.
I'm not denying that there is a correlation between highly successful entrepreneurs and long work hours, but it's a fallacy to treat it as a causal relationship. How many people work 24/7 in silicon valley and never get anywhere? A lot more than you think because no one is telling their stories. The focus should be on efficiency, creative thinking, intelligence and above all persistence. It's possible to jeopardize all of those by forsaking work-life balance.