MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law • Hacker News Board

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Post by Nexxxeh » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 10:34 PM UTC

i_am_proteus wrote: post #36

I'm not a citizen of an EU member state. But from an outside perspective, a significant number of MEPs "accidentally voting the wrong way" seems to indicate a severe and systemic problem with the European Parliament. Failure of one the fundamental mechanisms of representative democratic government calls into question the legitimacy of that government, and of that system of government. This is ammunition for the advoc…

Leaving the EU can be equally messy, our own Remainer-in-charge-of-Brexit PM nearly voted against the government last month. If nothing else, Brexit is proving that the EU is better than the alternative.

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-vote-results-parliame...

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Post by phiresky » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 12:41 AM UTC

simonhamp wrote: post #56

thepangolino wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched the voting online. The way it works is properly preposterous. Things go insanely fast. Alternating risen arm and electronic votes. Votes are only announced by the president which calls them in his or her native language then translated into all other languages. Quite often translators aren’t able to keep up leading to numerous errors in voting.

What an absolute farce. It’s laughable how archaic these processes still are. Might be inclined to think it was almost intentional to push through the legislation that best serves the small number of already-wealthy lobbying entities.

You're really arguing that 700 representatives from 30 countries speaking in 10 different languages with live translation and voting with automatic tallying is _archaic_?

But I agree, the way the counting works and how they do not seem to care at all about accurate results seems ridiculous: https://youtu.be/lzigiPUXNzI

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Post by seba_dos1 » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 2:07 AM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #60

latexr wrote: post #34

Reminder of how dysfunctional the voting in the European Parliament is: https://youtu.be/lzigiPUXNzI

I am unclear how biased or factual this account is but it really seems negligent to accept this current process. I have seen far less critical processes with far more safety checks and redundancy in place to minimize human error.

> I am unclear how biased or factual this account is

Let's say that I'd be very careful.

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Post by eridius » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 2:56 AM UTC

i_am_proteus wrote: post #36

I'm not a citizen of an EU member state. But from an outside perspective, a significant number of MEPs "accidentally voting the wrong way" seems to indicate a severe and systemic problem with the European Parliament. Failure of one the fundamental mechanisms of representative democratic government calls into question the legitimacy of that government, and of that system of government. This is ammunition for the advoc…

A different article I read earlier said they changed the order of the votes at the last minute and even the president was confused.

Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

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Post by trickstra » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 10:27 AM UTC

aitchnyu wrote: post #25

trickstra wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen it happen virtually EVERY TIME there is a big controversial law. It's more of a rule than a coincidence.

Have an example where votes were reversed and laws were tempered? And were there any upsides for the defectors?

the EP website states that even if there are any "corrections" from the MPs, it will not change the outcome of the vote. So the MPs really do that only to "save their face" on twitter