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Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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I've been considering a move to Japan. My pay would likely be several tens of thousands of dollars less (still very good, relative to the market but less than what I could command in a Western market), but it's also an opportunity to have a very different life experience. Money vs. experience, it's really tough for me to figure out what's more important.

If we're tossing other countries in the hat, throw in Taiwan. It's like China, minus the smog, tyranny, and bad internet!

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A couple examples of AI engineers moving to Tokyo (I know it's different) and sharing some thoughts on Twitter: - David Ha w/ Google Brain: https://twitter.com/hardmaru - Adam Gibson started Skymind in Silicon Valley and moved to Tokyo a few years back: https://twitter.com/agibsonccc

At least Japan lets non-permanent residents avoid taxes on income from abroad (that stays abroad) for the first 5 years. Depends on your home country whether this lets you avoid their taxes. In some cases, this can save a lot of tax.

Do you have any information about this? I've been looking into the tax implications of moving to Japan recently and it's not been easy to sort through.

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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Why would anyone willingly move to an authoritarian dictatorship?

An authoritarian dictatorship where the air pollution and other environmental pollution (heavy metals, PCBs, food supply chain chemical/pesticide contamination) will probably knock years off your life expectancy.

From the point of view of somebody who lives in a place with clear air and a decent paying job, I would require significant extra compensation to move my residence to a place with air pollution on the level of New Delhi, Lahore, or Beijing.

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Thanks for the insights, much appreciated! To be clear, are you a westerner who made this move, or a Chinese native? If the former, how did the startup culture compare to the US startup culture? >of Chinese descent and speak the language What about westerns who speak mando? Is it workable or still too much of a culture shock? Is racism abundant?

>mando Is it a regional norm around you to refer to Mandarin as "Mando?" Never heard of this in my life...

I've heard this a lot, especially when referring to both Mandarin and Cantonese, ie. Mando and canto

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Thanks for the insights, much appreciated! To be clear, are you a westerner who made this move, or a Chinese native? If the former, how did the startup culture compare to the US startup culture? >of Chinese descent and speak the language What about westerns who speak mando? Is it workable or still too much of a culture shock? Is racism abundant?

>mando Is it a regional norm around you to refer to Mandarin as "Mando?" Never heard of this in my life...

My Chinese friends do. Not sure if regional. I think it's just the logical shortening when the other option is 'canto', but it doesn't really make sense.

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I’ve sort of done the move. If you are not ethnically Chinese and speak the language, there will be a few things to get used to. The degree will depend a bit on where you end up. For example: - pollution can be a big problem. - if Chinese company, work culture can be very different. More top down, longer hours etc. - noisy. Most places you go in big cities you are surrounded by noise. Cars, people, construction. It d…

I would like to add: Even if you are ethnically Chinese and speak the language, don't go back to China unless you really cannot find a decent job in the west. Especially if you are young and educated in the west, here are the things to consider: - It is not very hard to find a STEM job in the west, and the pay is good. - Your parents are healthy now, not much to worry. It's better to get a green card before they get…

Care to expand on your last point? I haven’t heard that before.

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I don't think you're going to get away from this. By living in and working in China, paying Chinese taxes, and supporting Chinese companies, you are directly supporting an authoritarian regeime.

As a Canadian living in and working in America, I have a similar although less dramatic moral difficulty. The fact is that the American government is curiously abusive compared to your average developed national government.

Lmao get outta here with that trash

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Honestly that's comparable to SF, percentage-wise. But the 50% that's left will be higher.

Yes, I know you could potentially earn 180k as a junior per year but then you potentially have to live in the US.

180k as a junior... no way

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For me it was the money and opportunities. I turned a blind eye to the power abuse, human rights violations and corruption, and moved to the US anyways.

"I turned a blind eye to the power abuse, human rights violations and corruption" I'm not sure how you can compare the US, which does have it's problems, but is one of the least racist (and offers many more opportunities to people that start with nothing) countries in the world to China, one of the most corrupt and authoritarian. In China, for example, you need to include your head shot on your resume and I've known…

You don't see reports like that about the US because of US hegemony, and most things that do come up is usually by the UN and isn't taken seriously. I'm not saying china is perfect by any means, but things ain't great in the US either. They just seem normal to us because we're used to it.
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