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India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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I hope it was shot down in a manner that doesnt produce more space junk, which is already acknowledged as a serious problem!

According to the FAQ put out by Gov of India [0]

V. Does the test create space debris?

The test was done in the lower atmosphere to ensure that there is no space debris. Whatever debris that is generated will decay and fall back onto the earth within weeks.

[0] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/soon-after-pm-address-foreig...

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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post #47

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Let me get this straight, a missile is easy to track, but a giant mirror reflecting a load of sunlight that would have to be LoS to the satellite wouldn’t be? Not to mention that bombing the mirror would be a lot easier than shooting down the missile...

A missile can be viewed from many angles. A beam of light is (mostly) only visible by whoever its aimed at. Light dispersion not withstanding. Sunlight is quite bright and will mask a lot of the scattered light as well.

The effects of a beam of light strong enough to push a satellite into a rapidly decaying orbit would bloom like mad through the atmosphere, and create very detectable thermal effects. It would be detectable in a number of wavelengths for a staggering distance. You’d also have to impact the satellite so strongly that its station-keeping thrusters would be insufficient, while account for losses through the atmosphere. It would have to work quickly enough that the satellite wouldn’t fly out of range, and your weapon would only work during the day in clear weather.

It really makes no sense at all.

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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post #50

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Wait, now I'm confused... is it a military national security issue or a scientific achievement? China managed to not have Xi Jinping announce when they did it.

> China managed to not have Xi Jinping announce when they did it. Which test you're talking about? Xi wasn't leading China back in 2007. And thanks to the ignorance of their top brass, the Chinese received considerable negative reaction after the test.[1] 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_...

> Xi wasn't leading China back in 2007.

You're right - I was confusing it with the more recent non-destructive tests that were also not explicitly announced.

And I don't think they received negative reaction because they didn't announce. It's no secret that the West is not full of fans of China

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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post #52

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That's not what I am doing here. You can read it yourself: https://m.economictimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/india/i... I'm not about aware about any change in the Code of Conduct since the EC made that statement. Correct me if I am wrong.

Shooting down your own satellite isn't an "issue of national security." And the question isn't whether it is permissible, but rather was it an obvious opportunistic move? The answer to the latter is yes to pretty much all of the outside observers.

They shot the satellite with a "missile". And it was a demonstration of what we would do when a spy satellite hovers above us during "wartime". The PM in his address clearly said that this successful test makes "India" more "secure". Considering all this, it pretty much qualifies to be a national security issue to me.

> And the question isn't whether it is permissible, but rather was it an obvious opportunistic move?

I don't know.

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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post #61

I hope it was shot down in a manner that doesnt produce more space junk, which is already acknowledged as a serious problem!

According to the FAQ put out by Gov of India [0] V. Does the test create space debris? The test was done in the lower atmosphere to ensure that there is no space debris. Whatever debris that is generated will decay and fall back onto the earth within weeks. [0] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/soon-after-pm-address-foreig...

Unless some pieces were boosted higher by the explosion. But I guess they are confident this could never happen.

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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post #7

Just wondering, is it possible to use a big enough mirror and just reflect sunlight to do the same thing? Though this only means satellites can only be destroyed during daytime.

It will also ionize the air in an extreme manner, probably rendering the surrounding environment impossible to be in. For a rough estimate, see this: https://what-if.xkcd.com/13/

Mirror could be out in space, so it won't light our atmosphere on fire!

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shooting down your own satellite isn't an "issue of national security." And the question isn't whether it is permissible, but rather was it an obvious opportunistic move? The answer to the latter is yes to pretty much all of the outside observers.

They shot the satellite with a "missile". And it was a demonstration of what we would do when a spy satellite hovers above us during "wartime". The PM in his address clearly said that this successful test makes "India" more "secure". Considering all this, it pretty much qualifies to be a national security issue to me. > And the question isn't whether it is permissible, but rather was it an obvious opportunistic move?…

90% chance you're a BJP voter. This is my point: no outsiders are falling for this, so why even try to pretend.

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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post #41

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome :(

In cases where the satellite is orbiting low, Kessler shouldn't be a problem. In this case the satellite was at 300km and the pieces would decay in less than a year. Even if pieces were pushed into a higher orbit by the explosion, they would still dip down to 300km periodically and decay just a little longer. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_decay#/media/File:Alti...

Ah that is great to know. I believe the Chinese asat test was around 500 or so miles and it caused a real mess of debris.

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the FAQ put out by Gov of India [0] V. Does the test create space debris? The test was done in the lower atmosphere to ensure that there is no space debris. Whatever debris that is generated will decay and fall back onto the earth within weeks. [0] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/soon-after-pm-address-foreig...

Unless some pieces were boosted higher by the explosion. But I guess they are confident this could never happen.

Orbits are periodic. If it is boosted up, it'll come back down. Orbital decay will still happen.

Re: India successfully shoots down satellite in space

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Strangely, I'm not seeing a wide enough condemnation of this. Another country is building destructive weapons, bringing down LEOs; how is this a good thing? All the while the region suffers from chronic poverty, poor access to clean water and basic services.

Sending a science mission to space is great and rightly lauded, this is wasteful and energies spent better elsewhere.

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