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Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by usr1106 »

Kadin wrote: post #58

Looking at the swingset photo ( https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/eur... ) That's an interesting design of swingset; not one I've seen before. Unlike the bog-standard swingset in the US, which is typically all steel tube, that one looks like it has extruded (aluminum?) verticals and then a tubular horizontal weldment as the top piece. Further, the horizontal looks like it was hot-dip galvanized…

Looks like a Lappset to me. That does not help much, they are selling in at least 50 countries https://www.lappset.com/Contact-us

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by gpm »

Kadin wrote: post #58

Looking at the swingset photo ( https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/eur... ) That's an interesting design of swingset; not one I've seen before. Unlike the bog-standard swingset in the US, which is typically all steel tube, that one looks like it has extruded (aluminum?) verticals and then a tubular horizontal weldment as the top piece. Further, the horizontal looks like it was hot-dip galvanized…

This is not it, but is pretty close (just found by google images on: "playground swings aluminum square posts").

[0] https://www.eibe.net/en/swing-kondor-51007201100.html?c=5010...

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by justasimpleman »

bane wrote: post #36

I was able to see a presentation about this topic one time by ICE. It tragic in two senses: 1) The crimes themselves are absolutely intolerable to society. 2) The lack of serious resourcing the seriousness of this crime should warrant. Part of the presentation was specifically on identifying the location a sequence of photos was taken in the hopes that it would narrow down the search radius for the offender. The team…

How does the effectiveness of tracking down individual cases in this way compare to e.g. improving the eoconomic incentives overall? Commercial child abuse is mostly a result of deprived economic circumstances, in which people see more benefit in selling their children rather than giving them the best future possible, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't intend to spoil the enthusiasm here, but wouldn't supporting welfare hence be a more effective measure than investing in fancy tech? That latter only increases the deterrants which seem hard to increase any further to begin with.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by toomuchtodo »

justasimpleman wrote: post #63
bane wrote: post #36

I was able to see a presentation about this topic one time by ICE. It tragic in two senses: 1) The crimes themselves are absolutely intolerable to society. 2) The lack of serious resourcing the seriousness of this crime should warrant. Part of the presentation was specifically on identifying the location a sequence of photos was taken in the hopes that it would narrow down the search radius for the offender. The team…

How does the effectiveness of tracking down individual cases in this way compare to e.g. improving the eoconomic incentives overall? Commercial child abuse is mostly a result of deprived economic circumstances, in which people see more benefit in selling their children rather than giving them the best future possible, if I'm not mistaken. I don't intend to spoil the enthusiasm here, but wouldn't supporting welfare he…

Economic incentives aren't going to encourage someone to not sell their child for deplorable purposes; if you don't emotionally care for your child, money isn't going to make you care. On the other hand, if you can use a non-profit to pay terrible/uncaring/abusive parents to hand over their children voluntarily (surrendering parental rights) and to get sterilized to prevent the harm of any more children, that is a cause I would write checks to all day long.

Disclaimer: I am a parent, and have fostered neglected children.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by pvaldes »

pvaldes wrote: post #45
pvaldes wrote: post #44

Can't identify the background trees at this low resolution, but there is a small Fabaceae tree in the photo that looks like either Robinia pseudoacacia or Sophora. This trees have heavy seeds that do not go very far. Some bigger trees from one of this species could probably be seen near this area. Maybe in the streets (or in a garden). https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/eur... Robinia is a fully…

Just realized that is the same area as this second photo, so if is Asia nothing of the former is appliable. The list of possible fabaceae trees is much bigger then. There is a pinnate-leaved palm also, so in principle areas colder than -12 could be excluded (USDA 8a). https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/eur...

Ok, I was looking at the medium size. At larger resolution the photo is more interesting that it seems. Four different threes and something more. They should examine it more carefully.

The big trunk in the background is from the same Fabaceae also. Senna could show a similar bark and leaves. Senna siamea from Thailand for example looks similar. There is a sapling of something that looks like a Psidium also and maybe a Schefflera. All tentatively.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by DanBC »

botwriter wrote: post #49
bane wrote: post #36

I was able to see a presentation about this topic one time by ICE. It tragic in two senses: 1) The crimes themselves are absolutely intolerable to society. 2) The lack of serious resourcing the seriousness of this crime should warrant. Part of the presentation was specifically on identifying the location a sequence of photos was taken in the hopes that it would narrow down the search radius for the offender. The team…

Is there not a volunteer program people can help with in this situation. I'm a British citizen but looking at spending 2 or 3 months out in Cambodia working on coding projects an exploring a country I've never visited. Unfortunately, I know Cambodia has had problems with child abuse and child sex tourism in the past. Working on something like you've just described seems like a fantastic way to explore a country and a…

You can take photos of every hotel room you visit. These get uploaded to a database usable by law enforcement: https://traffickcam.com/

Europol has a "trace this item" website: https://www.europol.europa.eu/stopchildabuse

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

samstave wrote: post #29
tyingq wrote: post #9

Some of the techniques a group on 4chan used are interesting: https://www.ign.com/boards/threads/remember-when-4chan-users...

Remember when 4chan weaponized agains Shia LeBouf's flag and were able to determine the location of the ground flag based on the contrail evidence of the flight path of what the camera could see. The camera was only pointing at the sky, with the flag in the image. They were able to determine approx latitude due to the live stream revealing the sunset - and then comparing the paths of planes seen in the camera with fl…

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Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by spc476 »

samstave wrote: post #29
tyingq wrote: post #9

Some of the techniques a group on 4chan used are interesting: https://www.ign.com/boards/threads/remember-when-4chan-users...

Remember when 4chan weaponized agains Shia LeBouf's flag and were able to determine the location of the ground flag based on the contrail evidence of the flight path of what the camera could see. The camera was only pointing at the sky, with the flag in the image. They were able to determine approx latitude due to the live stream revealing the sunset - and then comparing the paths of planes seen in the camera with fl…

But that was a live video feed in a known country where they could cross reference weather conditions with commercial flight information (and rumors about LeBouf sightings). This is just a static picture that was taken somewhere on planet Earth.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by astrodust »

bane wrote: post #36

I was able to see a presentation about this topic one time by ICE. It tragic in two senses: 1) The crimes themselves are absolutely intolerable to society. 2) The lack of serious resourcing the seriousness of this crime should warrant. Part of the presentation was specifically on identifying the location a sequence of photos was taken in the hopes that it would narrow down the search radius for the offender. The team…

How about instead of rounding up all sorts of harmless non-white people and throwing them in cages that instead their efforts are focused on the abhorrent things like that?

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by astrodust »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #41
bane wrote: post #36

I was able to see a presentation about this topic one time by ICE. It tragic in two senses: 1) The crimes themselves are absolutely intolerable to society. 2) The lack of serious resourcing the seriousness of this crime should warrant. Part of the presentation was specifically on identifying the location a sequence of photos was taken in the hopes that it would narrow down the search radius for the offender. The team…

These "presentations" are very vague. What crimes, specifically, do they try to prevent or prosecute? Why victims are not complaining about these crimes?

If they did who would listen? If they did what risks and repercussions do they face?

This also presumes they're strong enough to speak up in the first place. If you're a victim of this kind of abuse you usually aren't.

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