How can I check if my phone is emitting these packets?
Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
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Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
People inside China are very aware of it; most just don't care that much. They (willingly, if not happily) trade what westerners might consider pillars of freedom for widespread prosperity. When you consider the progress China has made over the last 50 years from the perspective of a typical Chinese citizen, you can see why they make that bargain.
I hear this often, but it kinda implies they prospered because they had this obnoxious rules, i fail to see if this is actually true. Wouldn't they still be better without this tyranical bullshit?
They would, but that requires a fight against a party apparatus of 1+ million people, that controls the police, secret services and the army. And that in 1989 did what it did in Tiananmen and wouldn't be afraid to do it again, I'm pretty sure.
So success would be far from guaranteed.
If I'd be Chinese I'd probably do the same trade they did.
After prosperity, keeping the lid on as hard as it is now is much, much harder. And if changes don't come easily and naturally, I guess you can emigrate.
Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#63I knew of that 9 months ago, but nobody was interested so I dropped it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329825
Your title wasn't really great honestly, unfortunately this community is often based first impressions.
Or more bluntly: click bait wins. Now you don’t get away with taboola style headlines here, they have to be more sophisticated, but they need to grab interest.
Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
My Android phone came with a weather app preinstalled. The app cannot be uninstalled, is full of translation errors and some links redirect to Chinese websites. Who knows what data my phone constantly sends there? Adding to that the fact that I don't receive system updates anymore, I have absolutely no trust in my phone. My next phone will be an iPhone, for the lack of better alternative.
Yeah, I recently switched from iPhone to Samsung Galaxy S10. I don't have a previous experience so my reasoning was "well it's Samsung, at worst they'll have some shitty branded apps and some cruft". But I don't have an idea what these dozens of preinstalled apps running on my phone doing. Almost none of them can be uninstalled and only a handful can be disabled. It is kind of scary to use a banking app on this thing…
This is exactly why I am back on iPhone. I have had enough of unremovable shitware. I also value the simplicity of getting basic things done such as Bluetooth pairing. Stuff seems easier. The only thing slightly worse on iPhone is google 2fa, because it needs to use the gmail app.
Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#65Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, China claims it is, but it’s not.
"China" claims it is part of the People's Republic, which it is indeed not. But both sides agree that it is China. Like Korea includes both North and South even if there are two states.
In practice, that's a useless tidbit. Would you rather be the average South Korean or the average North Korean? Their lives are completely different, those are different states for a reason.
Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Chinese don't have to be covert about their tracking activities. It's part of their society, and everyone (at least outside of China) is aware of it, and nobody inside of China is allowed to talk about it.
People inside China are very aware of it; most just don't care that much. They (willingly, if not happily) trade what westerners might consider pillars of freedom for widespread prosperity. When you consider the progress China has made over the last 50 years from the perspective of a typical Chinese citizen, you can see why they make that bargain.
Just as a thought experiment... would Chinese people be okay with say an American company that openly spies on them in virtue of a "cool" product that they would not have had otherwise?
I'm just trying to understand this attitude towards acceptance of losing privacy...
Or is just given up after years of losing to their government?
Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#68How can I check if my phone is emitting these packets?
Install NoRoot Firewall as HenryBemis mentioned, it's on the Play store. The app tells you what IP addresses apps are trying to communicate with in a fairly neat and simple way.
I've just installed it on my 6.1 Plus. Nothing sus yet but it's only been 5 minutes.
Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your title wasn't really great honestly, unfortunately this community is often based first impressions.
Or more bluntly: click bait wins. Now you don’t get away with taboola style headlines here, they have to be more sophisticated, but they need to grab interest.
Click bait is an unfortunate reality but I think it's possible to create decent titles that are not just misleading. Personally I think this OP might even be a bit too much, but milankragujevic's was plain confusing.
Re: Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server
#70This has to be fixed by HMD and I hope for an official investigation as most other manufacturers are probably doing the same. In the meantime, I recommend the following: 1. Remove any unnecessary packages through ADB ( https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatwa... ) 2. Use Shelter ( https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.typeblog.shelter/ ) 3. Use a VPN-Firewall such as NetGuard ( https://f-droid.org/e…
Thank you for linking Shelter, I had no idea that was possible and that easy software for it existed!