When ECG in Canada?
Seems Apple is having problems getting the ECG feature approved outside the US. I've heard nothing for a few months from the EU about this passing over this side of the pond.
Apple Watch detects irregular heart beat in large U.S. study
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That would be overkill considering they can extract your heart rate in real time from a video.
How is this possible? Honest question, I've never heard of this before.
The other comments provided the academic sources, but the Cardiio app on my iPhone accurately takes my heart rate from my face with the selfie camera and that was released in 2012 I think.
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There are problems with HIPPA for sure. In fact I trust my doctor's patient portal less than most things I log into.
I was at a medical conference recently (within the last year) and there was an entire talk explaining to people that they couldn't send healthcare records or pictures over snapchat. HIPAA is great- enforcement of it is not.
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#65Yeah, it's good at spotting issues... but man, health monitoring creeps me out. I don't want to live in a world where insurance companies and employers force us to hand over this data. Just feels really creepy to me. Like way over the line.
I don't want to live in a world where insurance companies or employers have any need or incentive to have this data. Like most developed nations outside the U.S. for example.
Universal healthcare systems merely change the point of information demand based on who is responsible for the cost, from private companies to governments.
The notion that the authoritarian-creep and spy-on-everyone mentality that continues rapidly spreading in most developed nations, won't apply to this type of healthcare data, is obviously false. There is no entity that wants to track people more than governments (and in all possible regards), it's not even remotely close. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about the US, France, UK, Australia, South Korea, Japan or Germany.
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When tech companies are subject to the same level of data protection as health care providers, complete with with HIPAA penalties for failure, then I might trust them with medical data.
Would HIPAA not apply to tech companies when handling health data?
This is a common misconception and comes up a lot.
Rule of thumb is if it's not an insurance company or medical facility (hospital, doctor's office) HIPAA doesn't apply.
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That is precisely the beauty of something like an Apple Watch. Everybody can be screened without wasting resources and the device can alert if it is really something that needs a specialist. Of course, we are on the early stages of something like that and the devices are not really capable of diagnosing on their own, thus you end up with a spike in consultations. But given some time it should be way more accurate and…
It's entirely possible that a test which was net positive when applied "with probable cause", can even become a net negative if applied without. Because testing the whole population will produce many more false positives. I doubt the tests they are running here will actually go that far. But pervasive testing does need different trade-offs to targeted testing. At least we may have more complete data from which to und…
> Because testing the whole population will produce many more false positives.
That is the issue that should get resolved with time. The watch will receive a lot of feedback from medical professionals to adjust its reporting because now we'll know so much more about what symptoms are really worth paying attention. But of course, there will be an adjustment period like what we are seeing now. This has always been true of new technologies introduced in medicine.
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That would be overkill considering they can extract your heart rate in real time from a video.
How is this possible? Honest question, I've never heard of this before.
Skin color change or head motion:
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#69I saw a few posts on Reddit about how the Apple Watch basically saved people's life: https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/comments/a40qm5/heading_... https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/comments/9zrdq5/how_an_a... I'm sure there is a lot more. (Also all the people losing weight)
Sorry for the stupid question, what do you mean by people losing weight?
Apple added gamification elements to the Apple Watch.
“Closing the rings” which means completing 100% of the move, stand and exercise targets adds a competitive element to fitness which has worked well for many users.
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#70Pretty cool. Although its early days yet. I still worry about back doors that would allow the watch to be used as a lie detector surreptitiously.
Aren't lie detectors junk science?
They're based on the idea that if you're made to tell a lie, your body will react in some way (sweating, faster heartbeat etc) compared to a baseline measurement. There is a whole field of psychology around lying and additionally agents are ostensibly trained to detect visual cues that someone is telling a lie.
The premise isn't exactly junk - hardware lie detectors are basically trying to identify a fight or flight reaction, which some people will exhibit when lying. Have you ever been confronted with a fact (did you eat that cookie?), lied, and felt a rush or a feeling of panic? That's what lie detectors try to detect.
The problem is it's possible to fool a polygraph and it's prone to bias. For example some people get nervous when asked a question, even if innocent. It's theatre in some sense, and it shouldn't be assumed as 100% accurate, but there are plenty of people who will break out into a cold sweat when you ask them a question they don't want to answer truthfully.