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How a Bitcoin Evangelist Made Himself Vanish, in 15 Not So Easy Steps

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Re: How a Bitcoin Evangelist Made Himself Vanish, in 15 Not So Easy Steps

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A lot of the comments here are about how this wouldn't hold up to state actors. I don't see anywhere that indicates that this is the goal (except for maybe the title?)

I think it's clear that Lopp was seeking privacy from swatters and is well aware that privacy from the government is a moot discussion.

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post #42

> To register his car, the D.M.V. insisted on a real name — not an L.L.C. — and a street address. I don't understand: whose name appears on all the corporate vehicles driving around? A security van for Google, and Amazon delivery truck, a Brinks van: I'm supposed to think there's some employee's name on the title? What if that employee leaves?

I feel like another unstated risk here is that if someone can get his plate number through the DMV registration, they could buy tracking on it from one of the large ALPR firms and deduce his home location.

This is a real risk, though it does require bribing a DMV person and someone at one of the ALPR firms.

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post #60

It's weird to see someone publishing info about how he's concealing. I'm hiding, here's how I did it. Perhaps, he sees an opportunity in concealing identity business.

He may be testing his privacy framework. If publishing it doesn't make it weaker, it's a good framework. I guess he does not believe in security by obscurity.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A revocable trust can own an LLC. In that situation your name only exists on a piece of paper at your house. It's extremely common to get a Nevada or Delaware LLC with a revocable trust to protect identity. There are tons of libertarian companies that will sell you kits to set it all up.

That's fascinating. How and why?

I am not a lawyer, but I know people who have done it in the past. The states where you can do it value corporate privacy. When you create your LLC with a revocable trust, as far as I am aware, all you have to present is the first page of the trust document and the declarations of ownership are on later pages, the trust owns the LLC, you own the trust and your ownership is never recorded in public. It's complicated and is a great tool for people trying to do good (protecting identity for safety) and bad (patent trolls).

https://www.thebalance.com/pros-and-cons-of-revocable-living...

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post #13

Also quite a good checklist for money laundering. I think buying a house in the UK now requires ID for this reason, and there's an ongoing campaign to close the loopholes for companies. I do remember when I was briefly the director of a tiny UK non-profit that the company identity information was mandatory .. except for a very small list of those who were exempt because of intimidation, after a nasty terrorist campai…

These days, American big banks want to know who is controlling LLCs when accounts are opened. This is due to new KYC rules.

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post #60

It's weird to see someone publishing info about how he's concealing. I'm hiding, here's how I did it. Perhaps, he sees an opportunity in concealing identity business.

He may be testing his privacy framework. If publishing it doesn't make it weaker, it's a good framework. I guess he does not believe in security by obscurity.

That, and it's also possible he's taken more steps than described in this article.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd politely disagree, for most of the points yes, it's achievable for folks with disposable income, however I don't think the average reader (NYT or HN) can afford to buy 2 new homes and 1 new vehicle all in cash. > When he found a property to buy, he used the L.L.C. and a cashier’s check from the L.L.C.’s bank account to pay for the house in full. A mortgage was not going to be possible. > 9. Buy a boring car. > 10…

yes, it's achievable for folks with disposable income People living in NC and TX generally have a lot more disposable income than people in CA at the same gross income level. (In that sense, those other places are more free.) pay for the house in full. A mortgage was not going to be possible. It's entirely possible for an LLC to lease property. I also know for a fact that there are people in Chinatown who, for a vari…

> People living in NC and TX generally have a lot more disposable income than people in CA at the same gross income level. (In that sense, those other places are more free.)

Sure, it's just more difficult to get to the same gross income level in those places.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd politely disagree, for most of the points yes, it's achievable for folks with disposable income, however I don't think the average reader (NYT or HN) can afford to buy 2 new homes and 1 new vehicle all in cash. > When he found a property to buy, he used the L.L.C. and a cashier’s check from the L.L.C.’s bank account to pay for the house in full. A mortgage was not going to be possible. > 9. Buy a boring car. > 10…

yes, it's achievable for folks with disposable income People living in NC and TX generally have a lot more disposable income than people in CA at the same gross income level. (In that sense, those other places are more free.) pay for the house in full. A mortgage was not going to be possible. It's entirely possible for an LLC to lease property. I also know for a fact that there are people in Chinatown who, for a vari…

As someone who was a target of harassment just to reveal the identity of a friend, I can assure you that using friends is not a good way to secure information in the digital age.

Re: How a Bitcoin Evangelist Made Himself Vanish, in 15 Not So Easy Steps

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I might be missing something here, but he's buying a bunch of stuff in the name of the LLC but they aren't actually LLC expenses. Isn't that a violation of tax law at minimum? Possibly something more serious like fraud, no? I have a side business and it's an LLC. I know I can't just start buying cars, houses, cell phones, etc. and claim them as business expenses.

How is he doing that legitimately?

Re: How a Bitcoin Evangelist Made Himself Vanish, in 15 Not So Easy Steps

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post #6

Bitcoin is the very opposite of anonymous. Permanently recorded for posterity would be a better description. The best you can get is pseudonymous, and that's if you never actually spend any of the coin.

He didn't get targeted for having BTC -- he got targeted for being very public and loud about promoting BTC.

Maybe this is actually a lesson about why not to be a bitcoin shill, instead of a lesson about how to vanish.
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