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Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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I was hoping for a thoughtful article about a US company's experiences with offshore development. What I got was a very thinly veiled advertisement and business case for Bridge Academy. Originally I thought it was an offshore staffing firm, but having looked at their site I can't tell what it's supposed to be. I think it's an offshore staffing firm that's ashamed of admitting it's an offshore staffing firm, with the…

Of all the different projects to outsource for, something block chain related, specifically crypto coin related would be the very last.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Outside of a few issues there isn’t much influence, unless you’re in the church. One nice thing about Mormons is that at least outside of a missionary context abroad, they take “no” for an answer with grace. I wouldn’t want to join their club, but I like them as neighbors. Their cooking can be a little uninspiring, but the hospitality and friendliness is world class. SLC is also a gorgeous part of the world, if you l…

"The Liquor laws of Utah regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol in the United States state of Utah and are some of the most restrictive in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah Mormons account for nearly 90 percent of state Legislature https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 Utah is America's worst state for women's equality in 2018, study shows https://kutv.co…

To call that ranking an "equality" survey is misleading. It measures average salary, executive positions, political office, and educational attainment. But that proves nothing on whether women are treated equally or given equal rights or are treated fairly in the workplace.

The fact is, many, many LDS women choose to be full time mothers and homemakers. There are much fewer women in the workforce because of this. LDS women are much less likely to work full time and they choose not to take on demanding positions because it has been their dream to raise a family and be with their kids. This also results in many choosing to do less schooling. If your dream is to raise a family, getting your master's degree is probably not going to be necessary for that. Especially if you are already started on that family before you finish your undergrad.

In other words, using the criteria of this survey, the only way to make women more "equal" in Utah, would be to force them to do things they don't want to do.

Now, there might be issues in the workplace where women are not treated well or where they are paid less for the same job (to a worse degree than the rest of the U.S.) but nothing in that survey indicates that.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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"The Liquor laws of Utah regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol in the United States state of Utah and are some of the most restrictive in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah Mormons account for nearly 90 percent of state Legislature https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 Utah is America's worst state for women's equality in 2018, study shows https://kutv.co…

To call that ranking an "equality" survey is misleading. It measures average salary, executive positions, political office, and educational attainment. But that proves nothing on whether women are treated equally or given equal rights or are treated fairly in the workplace. The fact is, many, many LDS women choose to be full time mothers and homemakers. There are much fewer women in the workforce because of this. LDS…

Equality doesn't stop at the workplace. You are saying the home life of people is extremely unequal and gender-biased.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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post #61

I was hoping for a thoughtful article about a US company's experiences with offshore development. What I got was a very thinly veiled advertisement and business case for Bridge Academy. Originally I thought it was an offshore staffing firm, but having looked at their site I can't tell what it's supposed to be. I think it's an offshore staffing firm that's ashamed of admitting it's an offshore staffing firm, with the…

Of all the different projects to outsource for, something block chain related, specifically crypto coin related would be the very last.

Why?

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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"The Liquor laws of Utah regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol in the United States state of Utah and are some of the most restrictive in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah Mormons account for nearly 90 percent of state Legislature https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 Utah is America's worst state for women's equality in 2018, study shows https://kutv.co…

To call that ranking an "equality" survey is misleading. It measures average salary, executive positions, political office, and educational attainment. But that proves nothing on whether women are treated equally or given equal rights or are treated fairly in the workplace. The fact is, many, many LDS women choose to be full time mothers and homemakers. There are much fewer women in the workforce because of this. LDS…

My point in referencing isn't to judge whether the situation is good, bad, or indifferent.

And it may well be that women there are making these choices freely--I'm not in any position to judge.

But the point is that the culture in Utah is driven in large measure by the significant Mormon influence. Indeed, women may well be choosing to stay home because of that Mormon influence.

All fine and good--if that's what people want to do, more power to them--I'm not going to judge.

But this culture does seep out into the broader Utah culture, and denying that (as the post I was originally responding to does), is making an error.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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OK, it's not 2-3x. Especially if we're talking salary. Salary for a top individual contributor engineer in the Bay Area (full stack), outside of specific skillsets like ML/AI, will top out around $200k. Midwest, someone with the same skillset would probably make $125-150k.

this is not true for TC at all, case in point see levels.fyi. $200k is basically one level above a new grad at some of the higher paying, well known companies

I was referring to salary.

I'm looking at Levels.fyi and at Google you only start to break $200k salary at L6 (Staff Engineer).

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To call that ranking an "equality" survey is misleading. It measures average salary, executive positions, political office, and educational attainment. But that proves nothing on whether women are treated equally or given equal rights or are treated fairly in the workplace. The fact is, many, many LDS women choose to be full time mothers and homemakers. There are much fewer women in the workforce because of this. LDS…

Equality doesn't stop at the workplace. You are saying the home life of people is extremely unequal and gender-biased.

So let's force those women into the workplace??

If more women would prefer to stay home and raise children, does that mean they are not equal? I do not think so. They are doing the more noble thing. And apparently, a much higher percentage of women than men, want to stay home.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Of all the different projects to outsource for, something block chain related, specifically crypto coin related would be the very last.

Why?

Because is someone sneaks in a backdoor or otherwise tries to make off with a bunch of crypto, good luck extraditing an overseas worker to get the money back. You have to trust your employees, but at least it's a little more difficult to skip out on justice when you are in the same country as your employees.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Come to Salt Lake City. We even have absurd branding to lure you "silicon slopes!" There are a few SF organizations with satellite offices here. I've worked for one, have friends working for others. It's a pretty decent arrangement. You can get a team setup here for the cost of a single employee in the bay (especially when you factor in real estate.) Hell, maybe more. Shit, some of us will take pay cuts to avoid work…

Many, many people can't stand the influence LDS has on culture, alcohol, nightlife, sexuality, dating, etc. It's huge there.

Don't forget on commercial real estate.
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