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Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by lexs »

atoav wrote: post #46
zaphirplane wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue isn’t current back doors as you are trying to shift the conversation towards, it is about future Chinese government ordered back doors. I mean you’d have to be in a special dumb category to insert back doors today with all the coverage

If you are outside the Five Eyes, you are left with the choice between US products (with a documented history of spying also on democratic nations) and Chinese products, which potentially in the future could also be host for government backdoors. This means the choice is only about who gets your trade secrets, with a bit more favour for huawei because they didn’t do it yet. It is so easy from an US perspective to say…

Aren't there European competitors for some/most of the stack like Nokia, Ericsson, as well Japanese?

Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by stevefan1999 »

infinity0 wrote: post #8
stevefan1999 wrote: post #4

And I believe westerners could start a class action on Huawei as well

Over what? For taking yerr jerbs?

Well, to be honest I'm a Chinese, so it may sound weird but I was just predicting the counterattack US will commit. Therefore no, I won't take away nobody's job.

-- (off topic)

By the way, China is commencing Two Sessions/Lianghui[1] recently, so I believe what Huawei did is just right on the political time.

Perhaps we need not to over-react around this period about what's happening in China; certainly Huawei will chicken out after then.

Also, there are numerous anonymous reports that GFW is now on steroid, rendering "wall climbing"[2] harder but not impossible.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lianghui

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_circumvent...

Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by ionised »

atoav wrote: post #47
TobbenTM wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do you want us all to sink to their level, or actually be the democratic countries we pretend to be?

What would be the most american answer to this question?

Whatever makes the most money.

Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by jug »

gonvaled wrote: post #48
plugger wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also find Huawei's position quite rich given they built their product stack from stealing Nortel IP in the 2000s.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-na... https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/amp... https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/07/05/americas-industrial-re... https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/china-stealing-f... https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2013-02-01/piracy...

This is just an appeal to hypocrisy and doesn't really discredit your parent's argument, which is more on topic.

Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by rgbrenner »

lexs wrote: post #61
atoav wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are outside the Five Eyes, you are left with the choice between US products (with a documented history of spying also on democratic nations) and Chinese products, which potentially in the future could also be host for government backdoors. This means the choice is only about who gets your trade secrets, with a bit more favour for huawei because they didn’t do it yet. It is so easy from an US perspective to say…

Aren't there European competitors for some/most of the stack like Nokia, Ericsson, as well Japanese?

Yes.. in fact none of the companies providing 5g infrastructure are American.

Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by ratling »

ddoolin wrote: post #2

> “The actual and intended effect of these prohibitions is to bar Huawei from significant segments of the U.S. market for telecommunications equipment and services, thereby inflicting immediate and ongoing economic, competitive, and reputational harms on Huawei,” the company’s lawyers wrote in the suit. This is incredulously ironic coming from a Chinese company. China, who sets up just about every barrier imaginable…

Yeah all of Huawei’s complaining is a joke. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re being strongly requested to push this line by Chinese intelligence.

If I am not doing business in China, Russia, Vietnam, or South America the first thing I do in any environment is block those countries and LACNIC. Instantly my production security alerts drop by 2/3 and I get to sleep at night.

Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by rgbrenner »

grwthckrmstr wrote: post #62

How come nobody talks about the NSA or other US secret agencies to spy on people while simultaneously dissing Huawei for "allegedly" building backdoors to spy on the public? Help.me.understand...

None of the 5g infrastructure providers are American. The choice isn’t between Huawei and an American company.. it’s between Huawei and a European or Japanese company.

Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by ratling »

thetechlead wrote: post #21
ddoolin wrote: post #2

> “The actual and intended effect of these prohibitions is to bar Huawei from significant segments of the U.S. market for telecommunications equipment and services, thereby inflicting immediate and ongoing economic, competitive, and reputational harms on Huawei,” the company’s lawyers wrote in the suit. This is incredulously ironic coming from a Chinese company. China, who sets up just about every barrier imaginable…

You are confusing Chinese companies with Chinese government. In most areas, whatever restrictions/laws on foreign businesses, are also put on Chinese companies (private). Most foreign companies lost Chinese market due to fierce competition from local counterparts, not any imaginable barrier. Back in 2000s, Chinese government even gave green light when Huawei tried to sell [ref] itself to Motorola, but only been turne…

They are the same thing. You don’t do business in China without playing ball with the state.
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