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Teen Becomes First Hacker to Earn $1M Through Bug Bounties

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Re: Teen Becomes First Hacker to Earn $1M Through Bug Bounties

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True, but consider that 70% of rentals in SF are rent controlled. It takes a couple emails from FB groups or Craigslist to find a good living situation for way below market rate. Case in point: my friend that worked at Waymo paid $900/mo for a room in a house in Lower Haight...

900$/mo isn't necessarily below market rate. I lived by central park in manhattan for $1000/month, and I slept on the loft above my clotheshangers because it was basically a closet.

This is for sure below market...it’s been rent controlled for almost 10 years. Huge room in central Lower Haight. That place should go for at least $5500 between 3 people in a 3 bed/2ba.

Re: Teen Becomes First Hacker to Earn $1M Through Bug Bounties

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What's a way to learn security work? Genuinely curious.

I'm not a security expert by any means, but based on learning other niche-ish areas of technology, the following probably exist for security: * Books * MOOCs * Lecture notes, slides, and assignments from university courses * Subreddits, Quora topics, etc * Prominent community members you can follow on Twitter

Actual security expert^W dude here. On the topic of breaking/hacking things, I never read a book, followed a MOOC, or studied university course material, and I doubt most of my peers do that either. Which is not to say I don't use those resources, but they're for other topics like software development, system administration, or non-fiction books like Predictably Irrational[1].

The only security-relevant subreddit I'm subscribed to is /r/netsec, and sometimes interesting things come by, but I don't use it a lot. HN is more useful for (context about / following) big security events than netsec. Perhaps /r/sysadmin is also fair to mention, but that's more to see what's hot in sysadmin world (and get their perspective on breaking security news) than to learn about security.

Instead of Quora, I use the IT Security StackExchange site[2]: answering questions makes me dive into topics just a little deeper than what I already knew and I always come out knowing a few more useful details. The site has some really hardcore security people who are typically find any mistakes in your answers as well. I'd recommend that site a lot for learning, whether that is through asking or answering questions (though with answering, perhaps it's more to deepen knowledge than to get into the field), or even if it's just for getting correct answers to security questions like "What are the optimal WPA3 settings for a home router" or something.

So then, how does one get into security? Most people I know just started breaking things and noticed that others usually found it useful if we told them about it. After a while you'll have seen most of the common issues. Add to that some more structured materials like the OWASP top 10 and similar resources, and now I feel fairly confident that my reports are not just a haphazard collection of what I came across in previous years, but that I can actually give a reasonably complete assessment of the security of a system.

I don't know why the security field doesn't have as many structured resources as other fields. Maybe the field is just too small compared to how fast it moves? Or maybe security people are, y'know, as breakers of other people's systems, as hackers, as those who outsmart the people who made the system... maybe we want to be different and not follow norms by studying the normal way? And most of us just started doing it for fun before it became a profession, so few people would use the resources even if they were there? I'm just speculating.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictably_Irrational

[2] https://security.stackexchange.com

Re: Teen Becomes First Hacker to Earn $1M Through Bug Bounties

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I wish I had a knack for this type of work. That's quite a bit of cash. I do feel I am a competent software engineer, but understanding data structures and algorithms doesn't necessarily correlate to one's ability to identify security vulnerabilities.

no one mentioned it but the secret sauce is to have a "thing" for breaking and exploiting things. whether it's good or not is yours to decide. but here's my experience...

talented hackers, white, gray, black, whatever, excel at breaking and exploiting things. and people. and i have always struggled with that...

in college i took a computer security class. my class had the team ranked #1 in Maryland (US) among young coming up group of hackers. what i saw them do is always, and i mean always, thinking of ways to break things. i mean, well, it's broken a tad bit, adding this or that will fix it. no! i saw them exploit every little tiny thing!

i wanted to "fix" things. i wanted to be a "good" programmer. i was like: "oh they didn't do this, what should they have done to make more secure?". a good hacker was like "oh they didn't do this, what can i do to exploit it?"

i hope my little experience convey to you how they think. or at least what i saw first hand while taking that class. for me it's hard, i wanted to fix things. they wanted to break things. i didn't fail my class. i wasn't good at it either...

but i admire them and i am still amazed by what these people can pull off.

Re: Teen Becomes First Hacker to Earn $1M Through Bug Bounties

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I'm not a security expert by any means, but based on learning other niche-ish areas of technology, the following probably exist for security: * Books * MOOCs * Lecture notes, slides, and assignments from university courses * Subreddits, Quora topics, etc * Prominent community members you can follow on Twitter

In my experience, security has much fewer of those resources. Most of the information seems to shared through word-of-mouth, conference presentations, and blog posts.

Much of the information is also just RTFM. I don't think it's a stretch to say that security is a lifestyle: if I read the documentation of an API, more often than not I'll wonder if something can be abused for something. Or when trying to register for health insurance, the password field required special characters, so I set my password generator to include them, after which the form broke, and so I investigated and found that I could inject scripts there. It's just stuff I come across when I'm not even trying.

Word of mouth, chat groups where things are shared, conferences, blog posts... yes, those are resources. But it's also just a whole lot of curiosity and poking at systems.

Re: Teen Becomes First Hacker to Earn $1M Through Bug Bounties

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Pro tip if you are a startup and want free security advice. Just sign up for all the bounty sites and for every single bounty just tell the submitter that it is a duplicate bug and pay them nothing, then hot patch it immediately and when they get suspicious tell them that their bug report had absolutely nothing to do with the timing of your patch. I know there are companies that do this because I have had it happen t…

To be on the other side of this, we do received unsolicited but welcomed bug and security reports. Some are legit and we pay bounties even if we don't have an official policy and we are an early startup. Others are just automated reports that people copy and paste. These ones are uninteresting, but these people still think they deserve money. Often more aggressively than the legitimate ones.

Can you elaborate on the automated reports a bit more? What makes them uninteresting?

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I've never had this happen but what I've had in the past is people saying "This isn't a vulnerability", then I told them I would go public with it with an Easy POC that anyone could do. Example: http://writecodeeveryday.github.io/projects/badqr/ I literally had to twist their arm to get it patched... since was a something to 'reduce friction' which allowed you to steal someone's Bitcoins. At the time, the POC would h…

With Amazon AWS I had fun exchange a couple of years back. They don't have a bug bounty (still I think), but their response was that they will fix it but not publicly recognize it because "the cloud is always secure"? Go figure.

This is hyperbolic nonsense. Having worked at AWS, I've never encountered a business that is more serious about their security position.

Re: Teen Becomes First Hacker to Earn $1M Through Bug Bounties

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330K USD in San Francisco is much, much less than 300K USD in Buenos Aires

People don't even conceive the difference, in Buenos Aires you can rent a great house in a great neighborhood for 800 USD per month, in San Fran you get a shared room where other 3 people live for that much -IF even that-. In SF you spend at least 5 dollars going anywhere and going back using public transport, in Buenos aires $2 is more than enough to go the the opposite side of the city and back.

I know it is that way, but I don't understand it. It always seems to me like it just indicates that the exchange rate is wrong: clearly I can buy more stuff if I convert my money to pesos and spend them there, so the peso is just worth less than the amount we get per euro.

Could someone recommend some a website or blog post that explains this? (Or is it a simple enough explanation to fit in an HN comment without going hugely off topic?)

Re: Teen Becomes First Hacker to Earn $1M Through Bug Bounties

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This is 1MM over 3-4 years, right? $330k is good money, but it's also in the ballpark for gifted vulnerability researchers in SFBA.

SFBA income tax, state and federal, would leave about 55% of that, then, so, as usual, California is expensive.
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