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Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

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Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#61
Whenever I see things like this, I wonder about traumatic medical events. That thought wouldn't occur to me, but when my heart condition was in full force, one of my best friends on the cardiac unit was a severely overweight engineer.

We both reacted to medical trauma in different ways. He decided that he was going to quit his job and live out his days doing something physical. He thought he might get a job doing construction, stocking shelves, or anything where he would have to exercise. He wagered that it was worth taking an 80% pay cut to live for five more years. He was so serious about it that he was even asking if I thought he should keep his P.Eng on an application to work in construction. I didn't understand my heart condition or the lead up to it. So, the day after I got out of the hospital, I bought a pack of cigarettes and started smoking.

Of the people who I have stayed in touch with, not many of us have kept up with our post release resolutions. I quit smoking after about six months and took up running. One buddy took a partial early retirement and only works three days a week now. So, maybe medical trauma has absolutely nothing to do with any of these really major life changes. But to this day, whenever I hear of a story like that, I'm reminded of my friend who decided to trade in a very good engineering job for a gig in construction...

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#62

There was a survey in Silicon Valley some years ago that showed that this kind of fear goes pretty far up, plenty of millionaires fear falling off the gravy train. I do my family's grocery shopping, and I have several times noticed new clerks at the checkout, men in the 40-65 age range who are a little too well dressed -- very nicely ironed and starched white shirts, fashionable ties and watches. They seldom become f…

I'm the OP. I'm CEO of a small biotech company. I'm terrified, constantly, of falling of the ladder, and never again be trusted to do anything of value again. I worry that I won't be young much longer and if this one doesn't go out of the ballpark then it's game over. I'll be at Trader Joe's bagging your groceries. Edit: Began as EE, hence my connection to HN . There isn't anything close to this community anywhere el…

I've failed before, so here is the perspective of someone else who "fell off the ladder".

It is good to be a little scared of failure. But you don't need to be terrified. If you are still young, you will have time to recover. It may have its bad moments (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13445141). If failure looks imminent, make a plan B. But you don't need to live in fear.

Instead, look at what other lessons you can take from meeting the box-lifting chemist. Here is a guy with an advanced degree in chemistry who is working for peanuts. This could be an opportunity for you and him. When I was bankrupt, a complete chance encounter led to the job that pulled me out of that situation. I was having no luck getting a technical job. But while I was getting a haircut for another failed job interview, I told the hairstylist how difficult it was to find a job as a physicist. And she said, "Oh, I know a guy who is looking for physicists". She gave my number to a physicist who ran a small company. He hired me and it was a mutually rewarding relationship. He also hired other down-on-their-luck physicists and programmers. One of the current directors of the company was notably hired when the company founder met him as his waiter in a Chinese restaurant. By keeping his eyes open, this founder got great talent at a good price and now his company pulls in over $50M/yr revenue.

If things go bad, maybe you'll meet someone who pulls you back up while working at Trader Joes. If things go well, maybe you will be the person who pulls someone up.

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the OP. I'm CEO of a small biotech company. I'm terrified, constantly, of falling of the ladder, and never again be trusted to do anything of value again. I worry that I won't be young much longer and if this one doesn't go out of the ballpark then it's game over. I'll be at Trader Joe's bagging your groceries. Edit: Began as EE, hence my connection to HN . There isn't anything close to this community anywhere el…

I've failed before, so here is the perspective of someone else who "fell off the ladder". It is good to be a little scared of failure. But you don't need to be terrified. If you are still young, you will have time to recover. It may have its bad moments ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13445141 ). If failure looks imminent, make a plan B. But you don't need to live in fear. Instead, look at what other lessons y…

Thank you for this. I also read your previous post that you linked to.

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well sure, better to do a subject you care something about, chemistry evidently meant nothing to you. ..So why did you choose it in the first place?

Nope,chemistry was my thing. Went all the way to the International Science Fair (high school) and won big there. Then got a National Merit, had choices of Hopkins, Stanford, etc., but stayed at Bama for family reasons (sick mom). To be fair, I also cared a lot about radio & computing, so switching to EE wasn't a big shock, but better career prospects w/o having to do a PhD.

Could just be indicative of your adviser being in a poorly paid role in academia?

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#65

Tech is experiencing probably the biggest boom we've ever witnessed. What we're experiencing completely blows away the dot-com bubble. If you need to trade your labor in order to keep a roof over your head, you are in the same boat as any other person who needs to do the same, no matter the sector or role. The overall trend for labor has been that of stagnation, undercutting via contracting and outsourcing, and repla…

dot com boom was pretty big. A lot of people who could barely program were getting big money. The nasdaq was at 5000 when the cash flow couldn't justify it.

There was a bust and I am sure it will happen again. History is cyclical. Facebook, google, apple etc. will be fine because they generate so much cash. They can afford to pay people 300k. I don't see how companies like Uber and Lyft which generate no cash can afford to pay similar salaries.

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