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Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by dijit »

microcolonel wrote: post #52
dijit wrote: post #9

I feel like this is fair. People like to paint enemies of the east while essentially letting the west get away with much more heinous stuff. The difference of course is that we implicitly trust US tech companies, of course we do, nobody else has such a monopoly on CPUs and Operating System production. Not to mention web browsers and all kinds of technology. Avoiding the USA in your tech stack is quite literally impos…

> People like to paint enemies of the east while essentially letting the west get away with much more heinous stuff. > It is clearly a double standard. But the answer is to hold the US to account. Not bring more of this hostile crap in. I mean, I think it's the nature of things like this that they are justifiable but not pleasant to suffer from. This is weaponry, not poetry; if theirs is better we suffer, that's it.

Even if you're right it is not perceived that way.

It's akin to economic dependence. The thought of Europe depending on Russia (or the USA) for energy/electricity is unfathomable, yet we allow the US in particular to be the "holder" of an enormous part of our economy. IT is literally used by every industry and in some cases is very central to it. (IE; power stations make heavy use of automation and computers with CPU's and Operating Systems living at the very heart of that.)

It's troubling that we don't do more to offset this, especially if you're right, and holding this industry is a weapon of sorts.

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Post by dijit »

calcifer wrote: post #56
King-Aaron wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly, but still. Top result in google. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/26/chinese-activi...

> Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly What is that supposed to mean?

Guardian is a newspaper generally perceived to be anti-authoritarian.

It's one of the few "left" newspapers in the UK.

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Post by mda »

Theodores wrote: post #57
claplouder wrote: post #48

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are you seriously asking this about the same govt that has trampled on tibetan rights and is holding a million muslims in an internment camp? Since you have brought up the subject of the genocidal CCP having the support of the Chinese population, let me ask you this: isn't it true that the feeling amongst Han Chinese is that they are superior to other races and and cultures, and are meant to rule them? Isn't that the…

Don't be so facile about China. It makes you sound like you only know how to suckle at the teat of mainstream Western media. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones: How many young black Americans are in jail, on parole or awaiting trial? Which country has the most people in prison, by percentage or gross total? What about Hawaiian rights? How did that sovereign country become a U.S. state exactly? How do these…

Wow, I am speechless. If majority of China thinks this way, we are in for a very wild ride in near future.

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Post by calcifer »

dijit wrote: post #62
calcifer wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly What is that supposed to mean?

Guardian is a newspaper generally perceived to be anti-authoritarian. It's one of the few "left" newspapers in the UK.

I know that. I'm questioning GP's apologetic tone that implies it's wrong to link to the Guardian.

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Post by house_atr »

CathayRe wrote: post #12

Nice, Huawei Finally pointed this out, so the next step is hopefully somebody pointing out the difference. There will never be a Snowden in China. You can guarantee their life, or their love one's life will be held hostage. So not only does the "West" ( So to speak ) has a system in place protecting these people, they also have a system to vote them out and elect a new form of government should the ultimate worst com…

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Post by house_atr »

mda wrote: post #63
Theodores wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be so facile about China. It makes you sound like you only know how to suckle at the teat of mainstream Western media. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones: How many young black Americans are in jail, on parole or awaiting trial? Which country has the most people in prison, by percentage or gross total? What about Hawaiian rights? How did that sovereign country become a U.S. state exactly? How do these…

Wow, I am speechless. If majority of China thinks this way, we are in for a very wild ride in near future.

As much as I hate China for what it did to Tibet and what's doing now to Turkic Muslims, there is an important point being made here. The way you feel about the future; the idea that you'll be under the power of people that are an anathema to your way of life, is how most people have felt about the west for the worst part of a bitter century.

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Post by uodtl »

calcifer wrote: post #64
dijit wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guardian is a newspaper generally perceived to be anti-authoritarian. It's one of the few "left" newspapers in the UK.

I know that. I'm questioning GP's apologetic tone that implies it's wrong to link to the Guardian.

If you know that then you know the answer. It's an anti-authoritarian paper so it's going to be biased against an authoritarian government.

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Post by claplouder »

mda wrote: post #63
Theodores wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be so facile about China. It makes you sound like you only know how to suckle at the teat of mainstream Western media. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones: How many young black Americans are in jail, on parole or awaiting trial? Which country has the most people in prison, by percentage or gross total? What about Hawaiian rights? How did that sovereign country become a U.S. state exactly? How do these…

Wow, I am speechless. If majority of China thinks this way, we are in for a very wild ride in near future.

This is right out of the CCP bullshit arguments textbook. They automatically assume that you are an American, and state that you have no idea of what you're talking about since you are brainwashed by the "western mainstream media." The blatant projection here is laughable since the Chinese are the ones censored and brainwashed by their govt.

Another thing they love to bring up is the black prison population in the States to compare it to Chinese prison camps where people are thrown in forever without any trials. Atleast in America, they can protest and hold lawmakers accountable by voting them out. Any meaningful argument with these guys is pointless since they are just govt mouthpieces.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

eddieplan9 wrote: post #27
techie128 wrote: post #18

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lol, you really think the American citizens will vote out the government or impeach their president because they act unethically or immorally? I'd love to know what you're smoking.

The question is not if they will , but if they can .

Can they?
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