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Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by bitwize »

xapata wrote: post #50
ndnxhs wrote: post #22

I read the article but didn't watch the video but isn't this essentially code generation/metaprogramming that we already have? In rails you don't have to write a fraction of the code that actually runs because its generated for you. Also the AI part is very worrying. To me this sounds like a programming language where no one exactly knows what the rules are and every update to the training model could break everythin…

Artificial intelligence is a superset of, not equivalent to statistical machine learning.

Ever since expert systems fizzled out and failed to deliver on their promise in the 80s, AI has been roughly equivalent to statistical machine learning and its applications. Everything else became just logic that needs statistical inference in order to work intelligently in a complex setting.

Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by C1sc0cat »

nickcassimatis wrote: post #36
marcell wrote: post #35

I'm trying to understand how this would actually work. A lot of app development for a mid-size CRUD app is around encoding business logic and handling edge cases. Let's take a specific example. Say I'm writing a software to help manage weekly CSA (box of veggies) deliveries. Sometimes a driver will miss a delivery, and in that case, you want three options: (1) Fully refund the customer for that week (2) Let them anot…

Yes. We have an event language where you basically can say "IF X happens do Y".

Oh I remember that it ran on CBM 8096 back in 81 - I seem to recall it was called "The Last One"

Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by bitwize »

nickcassimatis wrote: post #34
AlotOfReading wrote: post #24

An interesting difference between this and "traditional compilers" is that since it's targeted to user-facing applications and the output is intentionally hands-off, there are incentives for dry to subvert developers. Imagine inserting unrequested ads or silently reselling end-user analytics for extra money. The developer might never even know, let alone be able to fix it.

Yes, any company that's serving a lot of web pages would be tempted to put ads on their pages. As the article and our website state, we are doing several things to preserve people's privacy. If we do ever serve ads, you and others can help us find a way to be super-transparent about it.

That is, until the VCs take over or it goes to private equity, and the new stockholders say it's much easier to monetize if you're super-opaque about it.

Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by bitL »

nickcassimatis wrote: post #3
PostOnce wrote: post #2

Again? Can this end with anything other than failure? It'd be nice if it could, but that seems outside the realm of possibility. Aside from this never having worked, and being, so far as we can all tell, incompatible with the level of fine-tuning to everything from the backend to the pixel positions of the UI that people want, there are very serious problems with the business model (or absence thereof) Some telling s…

Hello. I am the founder of this company. I understand your skepticism. It's true that it is very difficult to build a fully general dev tool that's 1000x faster and lets you control everything entirely down the pixel level. We're not claiming that. We're claiming that for a broad range of software (esp., social, messaging, and collaborative software), we can make the development process orders of magnitude faster. Yo…

Great! It's precisely how trivial stuff will be handled in the future, whether we like it or not and I am glad something like your company popped up. Could you please recommend any papers your approach is based on? Thank you!

Future extension you are likely considering could be voice/gesture driven development, or "natural language" programming, where one can use this combination naturally like talking to another person, describing what kind of app one needs and how it should look like.

Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by gamesbrainiac »

mountainofdeath wrote: post #65

Where is the AI here? This is yet another line-of-business app generator. Others include Microsoft PowerApps, Microsoft Access back in the day, etc.

My point exactly, and furthermore, the whole UI looks very cumbersome. You still have to understand the software underneath in order to actually build the application itself.

Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by harrisreynolds »

gamesbrainiac wrote: post #66
mountainofdeath wrote: post #65

Where is the AI here? This is yet another line-of-business app generator. Others include Microsoft PowerApps, Microsoft Access back in the day, etc.

My point exactly, and furthermore, the whole UI looks very cumbersome. You still have to understand the software underneath in order to actually build the application itself.

Yes. I am wondering the same thing. We are currently working on NimbleHQ [1] which is an app that lets you build apps. And it is pretty cool. But it doesn't use AI.

Maybe we should say it does to get some press! :-)

[1] https://www.nimblehq.com/

Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by omouse »

PostOnce wrote: post #2

Again? Can this end with anything other than failure? It'd be nice if it could, but that seems outside the realm of possibility. Aside from this never having worked, and being, so far as we can all tell, incompatible with the level of fine-tuning to everything from the backend to the pixel positions of the UI that people want, there are very serious problems with the business model (or absence thereof) Some telling s…

"Dry.io also has no business model, yet."

Well at least they're not taking VC funds and are funded by the previous exit of one of the founders (though I'm guessing their previous startup wasn't profitable or had no business model aside from "get acquired ASAP").

Aiming to get acquired is cool, but at the same time, it's not really a business model.

Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by TheLegace »

harrisreynolds wrote: post #67
gamesbrainiac wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point exactly, and furthermore, the whole UI looks very cumbersome. You still have to understand the software underneath in order to actually build the application itself.

Yes. I am wondering the same thing. We are currently working on NimbleHQ [1] which is an app that lets you build apps. And it is pretty cool. But it doesn't use AI. Maybe we should say it does to get some press! :-) [1] https://www.nimblehq.com/

Hi, I am trying to sign up but I can't get it working on Firefox and Chrome[1]. Captcha Error https://imgur.com/xMHx0xY

Re: Dry.io wants to democratize software development using AI

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Post by harrisreynolds »

TheLegace wrote: post #69
harrisreynolds wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I am wondering the same thing. We are currently working on NimbleHQ [1] which is an app that lets you build apps. And it is pretty cool. But it doesn't use AI. Maybe we should say it does to get some press! :-) [1] https://www.nimblehq.com/

Hi, I am trying to sign up but I can't get it working on Firefox and Chrome[1]. Captcha Error https://imgur.com/xMHx0xY

Wow... that is embarrassing. Fixed.

I recently change the domain from nimblapps.com to nimblehq.com which I think is much better (but didn't get Recaptcha updated.

Would love any feedback you have. It is early but some cool ideas are in there.

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