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Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

#61

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

"Broken" ISP are likely to intercept DNS requests, so really the only option against them is something like DNS over HTTPS.

[citation needed] on that "likely" word. I've seen instances of that, but they're extremely rare because intercepting DNS altogether is a fucked up thing to do for an ISP.

Seen far, far more instances of:

- ISPs shipping shitty network devices / awful factory settings

- ISP's own DNS servers being terrible in various ways

- Uncle Steve "the IT guy of the family" having messed with the network settings and nobody knows why 1 youtube video in 20 doesn't load but we just ignore it.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

#62

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

This isn't a case of an IOT device though. My Chromecast went through massive amount of trouble to use Google's DNS servers, to serve ads behind my pi-hole. It would respect all of my DHCP parameters, but silently ignore DNS settings. It was clearly intentional to serve ads. I had to set up a firewall to force it to use my DNS server. And eventually even that stopped working with an update (which themselves are reall…

>My Chromecast went through massive amount of trouble to use Google's DNS servers

No it didn't, it just queried 8.8.8.8 instead of whatever DNS server your DHCP configuration told it to use.

Putting "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in /etc/resolv.conf and marking it read-only would have the same effect. Doesn't look like much trouble does it?

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

#63

This guy sure is angry that his consumer electronics device is architected to be maximally convenient to set-up and use for the common user. He may want to consider an alternative product. Or use his 1337 hacker skills to modify his already-customized local routing configuration to just do the thing this consumer electronics device is assuming is standard (i.e. accessing services by IP on the Internet) by telling his…

Not sure what you meant by "1337 hacker skills" (sounds sarcastic to me) but the guy in question helped create the Domain Name System!

I know, and yes, it was intended to be sarcastic. ;)

He of all people should understand that the practical implementation of DNS and DHCP has become so broken by bad-acting ISPs that consumer electronics devices end up side-stepping the spec entirely so the thing works for the common consumer user.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

#64

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

> this is a $30 device to hook up TVs, Nitpick, but more like $70; you may be confusing Chromecast Ultra with the base Chromecast.

Yes, you're correct. The Chromecast Ultra isn't sold here in Europe so I didn't make the connection.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

#65

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

This isn't a case of an IOT device though. My Chromecast went through massive amount of trouble to use Google's DNS servers, to serve ads behind my pi-hole. It would respect all of my DHCP parameters, but silently ignore DNS settings. It was clearly intentional to serve ads. I had to set up a firewall to force it to use my DNS server. And eventually even that stopped working with an update (which themselves are reall…

how is it showing you ads ? Haven't seen any yet.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is a $30 device to hook up TVs, Nitpick, but more like $70; you may be confusing Chromecast Ultra with the base Chromecast.

Yes, you're correct. The Chromecast Ultra isn't sold here in Europe so I didn't make the connection.

Chromecast Ultra is sold in the UK, which is Europe (even if we do end up leaving the EU).

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a case of an IOT device though. My Chromecast went through massive amount of trouble to use Google's DNS servers, to serve ads behind my pi-hole. It would respect all of my DHCP parameters, but silently ignore DNS settings. It was clearly intentional to serve ads. I had to set up a firewall to force it to use my DNS server. And eventually even that stopped working with an update (which themselves are reall…

how is it showing you ads ? Haven't seen any yet.

pi-hole also blocks tracking services. And I'm sure chromecast is full of tracking to enhance the value of your account.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

#70

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

I would actually find it much more annoying from a troubleshooting perspective if every single IOT device I buy has a different hard-coded DNS server, provided by that manufacturer, instead of the one set by my local DHCP server. Because when the DNS set by your network fails, everything fails almost instantly and it's fairly easy to spot the problem from any device on your network.

RE: configurability ... I thought one of the main reasons people went with Google over Apple, specifically with Android, was precisely because of their configurability. Every person I talk to that left iOS tells me this.

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