Satellite internet might be a nice way to escape censorship, though it's fairly easy for the government to detect if you are transmitting stuff at the sky...
Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet
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Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's kind of a stupid thing to do. Well, the excuse at least. Only people who don't know what BGP even is would buy the excuse. Any connected fragment of the internet can continue functioning autonomously anyway. The majority of traffic inside any country is already not going outside, and the internal segment would not break if the outside routes suddenly disappeared.
> and the internal segment would not break if the outside routes suddenly disappeared. Not when your default nameserver is 8.8.8.8. Or your NTP source is set to the public NTP pools. There is definitely a benefit in doing a "we are isolated" scenario test once in a while to prepare for such incidents...
8.8.8.8 is anycast, it is announced locally in many places around the world.
Re: Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet
#63Recalls the Maginot line, in the case of cyber warfare. How man taps are there? Perhaps more sensible for managing the information presented to their own population in emergencies.
Now I'm wondering what the cyber warfare equivalent of Sichelschnitt will be - where will be the big blindspots that they are ignoring?
space based internet by SpaceX/Musk.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now I'm wondering what the cyber warfare equivalent of Sichelschnitt will be - where will be the big blindspots that they are ignoring?
space based internet by SpaceX/Musk.
> SpaceX/Musk
I just realized that Elon is missing a lot of cologne opportunities.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
people go to war to gain control over something. If you can do so by censoring ideas, great! That is a lot cheaper than actual war.
.. I'm starting to see a lot of outrageous opinions like this on 'normal' forums like Reddit and HN with people defending this type of authoritarianism. I see the internet trending so extreme to the point it's useless for me. Not sure if others feel the same. Makes me sad to remember the hope I used to feel about its possibilities.
> outrageous opinions
Opinion can't be outrageous. Opinion is an idea, ideas doesn't kill people. Other people do.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no way they can afford to fragment the internet. They need open source libraries, they need access to information, they need access to education, etc. If they do that they will gp backward economically.
I wish I believed this as strongly as you do. The Chinese internet is isolated in a lot of very meaningful ways and the Chinese economy is not going backwards. There's probably a drag but it's not significant enough to stall progress. You can unfortunately retain a lot of the utility of the internet while simultaneously sucking out the ability for it to be effectively used for political activity if you're willing to…
"There's probably a drag but it's not significant enough to stall progress."
I think it's rather the opposite. Why do you think tencent, alibaba, etc., exist in China, instead of the US alternatives? It's simply because there was a wall in place. Honestly, I'm not sure why more large countries aren't doing this - it's an easy way to build your own digital industry up.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
.. I'm starting to see a lot of outrageous opinions like this on 'normal' forums like Reddit and HN with people defending this type of authoritarianism. I see the internet trending so extreme to the point it's useless for me. Not sure if others feel the same. Makes me sad to remember the hope I used to feel about its possibilities.
> outrageous opinions Opinion can't be outrageous. Opinion is an idea, ideas doesn't kill people. Other people do.
Guns dont kill people, other people do.
Huh, why are there so many gun related deaths in the only country preaching this? Must be one of those strange coincidences.
See also the pen being more mighty than the sword etc...
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#69Satellite internet might be a nice way to escape censorship, though it's fairly easy for the government to detect if you are transmitting stuff at the sky...
> though it's fairly easy for the government to detect if you are transmitting stuff at the sky...
Not with a steered beam. Unless another satellite is riding shotgun on the one you are aiming at you will need some manner to receive the signal directly in order to triangulate. That's easy when the transmitter is non-directional but very hard when the direction is 'up' and the beam is focused and aimed at a specific satellite. You'll still get quite a bit of spread but you will need multiple simultaneous receptions in order to be able to pinpoint the origin of the transmitter.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish I believed this as strongly as you do. The Chinese internet is isolated in a lot of very meaningful ways and the Chinese economy is not going backwards. There's probably a drag but it's not significant enough to stall progress. You can unfortunately retain a lot of the utility of the internet while simultaneously sucking out the ability for it to be effectively used for political activity if you're willing to…
"There's probably a drag but it's not significant enough to stall progress." I think it's rather the opposite. Why do you think tencent, alibaba, etc., exist in China, instead of the US alternatives? It's simply because there was a wall in place. Honestly, I'm not sure why more large countries aren't doing this - it's an easy way to build your own digital industry up.
That's the thing - I'm not sure Russia can produce their own competent tencent, alibaba, and so forth. I wonder if they're going to wall off their section of the Internet, then realise it's painful and open themselves up to Chinese companies.
It would be wise for someone in the Russian government to say "You will end up shining the shoes of the Chinese!" a la Italo Balbo at this point.