Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers • Hacker News Board

Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers

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Post by jackvalentine » Thu, Feb 07, 2019, 2:00 AM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #15

jackvalentine wrote: post #7

These rescinded job offers after someone has uprooted their life, assuming that the offer can be proven (written is best!) surely promissory estoppel applies and some kind of remedy is a slam dunk?

A “slam dunk” in the sense of paying 10s of thousands in attorney fees to get and enforce a judgment, when you’re probably in financially tricky circumstances specifically due to the rescinded offer?

I’m more interested in leaning about the concepts here and if they apply to employment offers.

Certainly more interesting than yet another conversation about the costs of the legal system favouring those with money, don’t you think? That one has been done to death.

Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers

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Post by _pmf_ » Thu, Feb 07, 2019, 7:31 AM UTC

ukoki wrote: post #40

_pmf_ wrote: post #3

We've had success in team ghosting useless product managers, eventually (after 2 years without any output) causing them to leave (out of their own volition, because apparently being hired by C levels protects you from being terminated because it would reflect bad on the hiring C level). Keeping up a trickle stream of half-baked work[0] (to prevent you from being accused of being "non-supportive") worked fine. [0] mat…

This just sounds like bullying to me.

Oh, we would have stopped at the slightest trace of an intelligent or coherent decision from the PM.

Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers

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Post by lunchables » Thu, Feb 07, 2019, 8:12 PM UTC

curuinor wrote: post #33

lunchables wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's extremely important that you learn as early as possible in your career that your employer is not your friend. You are only a cog in the wheel to them. All the way up to the top you are replaceable. This is not universally true. I genuinely care about the people that work for me.

People are great: organizations are less so. Your HR buddy can cry while they kick you off campus, they're still kicking you off campus. Unless they're the board and CEO, it doesn't really matter that the people around you care for you and you care for them. You can see them at the bar afterwards, I suppose.

I insulate employees from that, 99.9% of the time. I decide where I need to make reductions, which happens. It doesn't really matter that I'm not the company, for all intents and purposes, that does not matter to the employee. That the CEO might not care about them (although, he does) does not matter in practice.