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Everything Is Going Deep: ‘The Age of Surveillance Capitalism’

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Post by KineticLensman »

whatshisface wrote: post #58
danharaj wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think "wage" and "capitalist" are boo words? Really?

I'm not booing them myself, I'm talking about the (non-universal!) cultural subtext of those words. "Wage" has a negative connotation for being lower status than "salary," and appears in terms like "wagecuck." "Capitalist," is absolutely a boo word around leftists and was actually coined by Marx specifically to name his enemies.

> "Capitalist," ... was actually coined by Marx specifically to name his enemies.

Wikipedia [0] disagrees: The Hollandische Mercurius uses "capitalists" in 1633 and 1654 to refer to owners of capital. In French, Étienne Clavier referred to capitalistes in 1788,six years before its first recorded English usage by Arthur Young in his work Travels in France (1792).In his Principles of Political Economy and Taxation (1817), David Ricardo referred to "the capitalist" many times. Samuel Taylor Coleridge, an English poet, used "capitalist" in his work Table Talk (1823). Pierre-Joseph Proudhon used the term "capitalist" in his first work, What is Property? (1840), to refer to the owners of capital. Benjamin Disraeli used the term "capitalist" in his 1845 work Sybil.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

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e3pi wrote: post #52
Novashi wrote: post #16

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Post by anigbrowl »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #53
anigbrowl wrote: post #38

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upholding national interests 'national interest' seems like a highly moveable feast.

Not particularly. As they were in control of the state, their goals were considered the national interest. It may not have reflected the will of the population or government, but that's often the case with national interests.

That seems like a really bad definition.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

anigbrowl wrote: post #64
boomboomsubban wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not particularly. As they were in control of the state, their goals were considered the national interest. It may not have reflected the will of the population or government, but that's often the case with national interests.

That seems like a really bad definition.

The concept of "national interests" has been in use for about five hundred years now. What issue do you have with it?

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Post by radarsat1 »

_Schizotypy wrote: post #28
radarsat1 wrote: post #27

The article makes me wonder if the author is aware of the technical meaning of "deep" in the context of the term "deep learning." Not that I disagree with the article, these things tend to take on a life of their own and that's just how it goes with language and culture.. but at least in the case of machine learning "deep" is not just an arbitrary terminology to sound fancy, but refers to a series of breakthroughs al…

The word "deep" came way before deep learning, and can mean different things in different contexts

But one of the contexts provided in the article is "deep learning", that is what I am responding to. My point being that he lumps "deep" in as a hyped up term, trying to make connections across "different things in different contexts" as you say, ignoring the fact that it has a technical meaning.
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