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Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by ryanlol »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #59
sho wrote: post #56

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> Organized crime isn't "the mob." It's any criminal enterprise Then you need to stop using the term "organized crime" because it has a pretty specific meaning. If it's "any criminal enterprise" then we just call that "crime" - and once again, you are referring to the law to define morality. > People are making $10000 fake Rolexes What. Not they are not. Your outlandish claims need evidence. Show many any example of…

I've personally helped save people from buying $6000 fake Rolexes. The fact that people send their fakes to Rolex to get serviced (which then get confiscated) is proof that they don't know they bought a fake.

Do you think the people running scams by selling fake rolexes as real are the same people making and distributing those fakes?

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by SamReidHughes »

mikekchar wrote: post #46
paradoxparalax wrote: post #27

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Because a clone is criminal. As long as I know. And is not only against the law, It is morally theft, some people spent A Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper....This is Absurd. Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification... Besides, Is not really necessary, Come one, people should come…

> Because a clone is criminal. As long as I know. And is not only against the law, It is morally theft, I just want to respond to this because we see a lot of the same comments in the software industry and I think it dilutes the meaning of the law to speak imprecisely. If you make a watch and put a brand name on it for which you have no license, that is a trade mark infringement. It is illegal in most countries. It i…

Note that trademark infringement can in some cases include the design of the watch (as tested in court with the AP Royal Oak):

https://www.ft.com/content/1625afaa-925c-11e3-8018-00144feab...

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by coldtea »

halbritt wrote: post #44
twblalock wrote: post #21

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That's fine for cheap watches, but once you get into the $500+ price range you are taking a big risk. If the watch has problems you'll need to pay out of pocket for repairs, and parts and service can be difficult to obtain for a watch not normally sold in your country.

Warranties cover defects which are few. A $500+ watch will need servicing after a few years, which is not covered and will generally run a few hundred dollars. Not really a "big risk".

Not sure what your definition of gray market is, but there wont be any warranties usually...

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by coldtea »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #27
ryanlol wrote: post #13

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>* Avoid replicas and fakes ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgKMA6Bh6U ) Why? These days chinese factories are pushing superb 4130 clones for the price of a decent seiko. This guy in the video seems to know nothing at all about the chinese watch industry.

Because a clone is criminal. As long as I know. And is not only against the law, It is morally theft, some people spent A Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper....This is Absurd. Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification... Besides, Is not really necessary, Come one, people should come…

>Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification...

Serves them right, since most of the "high end watch" industry is selling 10x overpriced items to rich show-offs and overpaying suckers.

I'm not talking one-of-a-kind, manually crafted pieces with valuable materials here. I'm talking even the "low end" 2-10K watches, with BS generic mechanisms, and costing nowhere near that to make.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by coldtea »

twblalock wrote: post #47
Pristina wrote: post #31

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If some 'smartass chinese' guy can provide the same thing for 1/10th the price, then clearly the original maker is overcharging.

It's easy to make cheap stuff when somebody else invested in the R&D and you just steal their designs.

LOL. The R&D is an insignificant part of the cost. The margins are just sky-high because it's a luxury market, and suckers will pay anything.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by m_mueller »

Tepix wrote: post #60
vernie wrote: post #35

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They're still nowhere near as accurate as quartz, even on the high end, and accuracy also varies depending on the orientation of the watch.

I like Seiko's spring drive. It's an ingenious mix of mechanical and electric drive and it's quite accurate. My favourite part is the continuous motion of the seconds hand. They're not very cheap, unfortunately.

I also really like Seiko's watch face design in general, even for the cheap quartz lines, and I'm saying this as a Swiss.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by emptyfile »

coldtea wrote: post #63
halbritt wrote: post #44

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Warranties cover defects which are few. A $500+ watch will need servicing after a few years, which is not covered and will generally run a few hundred dollars. Not really a "big risk".

Not sure what your definition of gray market is, but there wont be any warranties usually...

He's saying warranties are mostly useless on watches.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by masonic »

ryanlol wrote: post #34
paradoxparalax wrote: post #32

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One someones buy a fake watch, he is not buying the real one, so is there a win-win to everybody here? who is the owner of the design? man...if you were an inventor , and spend time inventing something nice, them you don't make money out of it, would you like that?

>One someones buy a fake watch, he is not buying the real one, so is there a win-win to everybody here? I would think that this is extremely uncommon. I think the following scenario is more likely: "X buys fake watch, X likes fake watch, X buys the real watch" >who is the owner of the design? The whole fake/not-fake thing usually has very little to do with the actual design of the watch, but the branding.

  "X buys fake watch, X likes fake watch, X buys the real watch"
This explains all those people you see wearing two watches.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #43
KyleBrandt wrote: post #12

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One other common terminology, any additional features are often called "complications". In particular others like me might enjoy the UTC/GMT complication, which often has a hand that goes around the watch once every 24 hours and can be set to another timezone like UTC. On another pro-watch note, I've discovered that a non-smartwatch has an pretty amazing feature: the ability to check the time without seeing any sort…

Now I know why Apple watch features are called 'complications', thank you.

I didn't know that. Seems like quite a brave decision to name them that way, as "complication" is likely to have a pejorative meaning for many users. Imagine if web apps were called complications.
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