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What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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I'd be interested to hear, anyone reading this, if you know someone who tends to behave in a narcissistic way, exactly what are they doing that you see as narcissistic?

My mother, I suspect, is some level of narcissistic. She can be generally okay, and even nice to be around on occasion, but if there's a hint of her being in the wrong, she becomes exponentially more defensive.

"Never happened" is one. She'd claim that the the event of her doing wrong – calling others names, sabotaging others' performance, behaving in an immature, passive-aggressive kind of way – never happened. "Yeah, it did" is met with further denial. Maybe she'll admit she did that, but only because it was justified: maybe she felt so bad she could do nothing else, or maybe someone forced her to behave badly.

In general, her negative traits are flung under the rug, and her positive traits are put under the limelight. She would never admit to not knowing things, unless not knowing things puts the responsibility for the failure away from her. She'd also claim how good at she is ("I'm such a good psychologist! I understand people so well!"), and any attempt at countering her positivity assertions are dismissed passively.

I suspect her faking illness – presenting herself as ailing to gain attention and sympathy, which becomes self-fulfilling bullshit – also has something to do with the perpetual-victim mentality that underlies narcissism.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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The author's comments about the "positive vs negative aspects of narcissism" are interesting. I remember reading[0] about how one of the most effective ways to determine if someone is a narcissistic is to ask them... "are you a narcissistic?". That surprised me at first because self-diagnosis is almost always a bad idea, but on second glance it makes sense that people who think about themselves all day could be more…

I believe the self-test works because the person treats narcissism as a source of their special status, thus conforming to their desired false image.

In other words, it makes them special, so they happily admit to it, because being special is exactly what they want.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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Thanks. This was a disturbing read as each paragraph further convinced me I suffer from the same thing. Time to go see a shrink. EDIT: and clearly only a narcissist would comment on how relevant the article is to them specifically... sigh

Did you get to the part where his girlfriend has multiple personalities? 21 to be exact, one of which is a rabbit.

I started taking him and the article less seriously after that. Really smacks of someone who thinks they have the world figured out at every point in their life and every 6-12 months they realize how wrong they were but now they have it figured out.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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I know a couple of men like this, and it's not confidence, arrogance, or judgmentalism that defines them, it's a lack of respect for normal adult boundaries, and a need for external validation that motivates their basic decision making. It's solvable for them if they learn enough, but I see them as psychologically un-weaned.

Men interact based on boundaries and often hierarchies, and a guy who is obliviously transgressive to that is usually thought of as "on the spectrum," or more rarely, a narcissist. Sometimes they are in actual positions of competence or authority, where their lack of respect for personal boundaries is consistent with an externally granted authority role, and this misdirects from the more pathological aspect of their behavior. Being transgressive is sometimes a sign of exceptional intelligence as well, so people tolerate it under the aegis of "brilliant jerk."

Personally, I have some sympathy for them because it's such a steep hill to climb if they are going to ever improve, but have learned to just be unambiguous about setting boundaries and making it clear I think they have a blind spot on boundaries they need to manage.

Provided you aren't being paid to take their abuse, you can reasonably say to them, "Consider whether you may have a blind spot on personal boundaries." If you are being paid, I recommend getting paid somewhere else.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago I dated a woman with a “high functioning” career and from outside apparently normal social life who in retrospect was clearly BPD. She was very good at hiding her feelings during most casual interactions, and was clever and generous and fun to talk to when calm, but had almost a second personality which would come out when she became even slightly stressed which was bitter and entirely self-centered and ext…

I dated a high-functioning borderline as well. It was a horrible experience, but in retrospect I'm (kind of) grateful to have learned about personality disorders as a result. I guess I learned a lot about myself too. I feel absolutely awful for people who date high-functioning borderlines and never learn about it. At least with the ones who are low-functioning, you absolutely know something is deeply wrong with them…

People generally don't write glowing reviews of their exes, so forgive my skepticism of your and parent's anecdotes.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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I think children get really harmed by parents who happen to be narcissists. I’ve seen a lot of hurt on Reddit about being raised by narcissists and It’s almost as if children of these parents should have been warned growing up and so they could have avoided the pain of realizing the love is different than normal. I think healcare needs to focus on the family development with a narcastic parental figure and similar to…

Isn't blaming their parents' character flaws for the adult children's character flaws just a way to avoid responsibility by those adult children? If a grown up child thinks parent should've fixed their flaw before it affected the child, then they presume that the flaw could have been fixed or mitigated. In that case, why the child spends time blaming the parent on reddit now, instead of working on fixing the flaw tha…

"Isn't blaming their parents' character flaws for the adult children's character flaws just a way to avoid responsibility by those adult children?"

No. That's not how it works. Understanding a cause of a behavior is not the same as denying responsibility for the behavior. This sort of thinking is what leads to the (extremely flawed) conclusion of "I was abused, and I turned out okay, so your behavior because of your abuse was your decision" thinking.

What you're doing here is victim blaming. If someone abuses you, this is not your fault. If, because of this abuse, you have social problems you're still going to have to figure out a way to deal with these problems. Understanding the root cause of the behavior (ie; my mother molested me, thus I have a strange view of sexual norms, thus I engaged in abusive sexual behaviors) can help in the treatment of this behavior. In fact, I would go so far as to say that understanding the root cause is almost always needed in order to treat the behavior.

You make the extremely flawed assumption that by exploring an understanding of causation (abusive parent in this case) that the person in question is not working on fixing the flaws. These ideas aren't mutually exclusive. And for many people, groups, including reddit groups, act as a way to work through their problems with others capable of relating to their situation.

If someone's entire course of action is "my parent was abusive, so I'm going to keep engaging in this behavior because now I have an excuse" the problem present is this person's continued desire to behave poorly. It doesn't absolve the parent from their portion of creating the problem, nor does it absolve the person in question from engaging in the behavior.

Tl;dr- No, none of your points stand on their own.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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It's interesting, considering my mother's side of the family tends to seemingly run a bit narcissistic. My grandmother especially, but I also see bits of it in my mother. The best way to describe it is that her world sort of exists around her. Things only really matter if they personally affect her, and when they do it revolves around her feelings, regardless of the feelings of those around her. She clearly deeply ca…

I think that the vast majority of people (narcissist or not) will never do something unless they personally benefit from it in some way. Everything that people do is for themselves. Even when people give money to charity; they do it because it makes them feel good. I think that maybe the difference between a narcissist and an altruist is that a narcissist doesn't derive any positive emotions from helping others.

Oh, but bullshit. Comparing altruism to narcissism is so entirely self-centered, it fails to encompass the sheer idea of the fact that people do things for other people that bear no benefit to themselves.

And don't even start the whole "But you feel good about it" line. Do I feel accomplished from writing a supportive message? Not particularly. I wrote it because I saw it a good thing to do, because I'm that kind of a person. I'd keep doing it even if I'm going to be dismissed or disparaged half the time.

The kind of reductive argumentation you express, at best, prevent proper self-actualization – and at worst, prevents its development in the first place.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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There's a good chance my brother suffers from borderline personality disorder. My therapist has explained the biggest issue about PDs: the disorders make a person extremely unlikely to seek out help, as (to put it poorly) they believe the problem exists with the people around them and not themselves. This means that very little is understood, medically, about the disorders and how to treat them effectively. The autho…

I'm in recovery for BPD. I did a shit load of emotional damage to my family because of it.

My BPD stems from childhood abandonment (absent father) and persistent emotional abuse from my likely NPD mother. I learned to doubt things I feel/thought and often reality sometimes. Real love and emotion connection were terrifying to me on a subconscious level. I never could trust anyone, not even myself (the only one to trust was my abuser). I developed so many coping mechanisms to protect myself from my mother that involve projection, distortion of reality and emotional manipulation. My brain learned all these horrible ways of protect myself from my abuser and I applied those behaviors to everyone around me.

It has taken years of unpacking my childhood trauma to get to like 90% remission of symptoms. Before that it was years of denial about my behaviors before I even started to entertain the fact I had BPD.

I'm sorry to hear BPD is effecting both you and your brother. There is hope but he has to be on board and it's a long road.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dated a high-functioning borderline as well. It was a horrible experience, but in retrospect I'm (kind of) grateful to have learned about personality disorders as a result. I guess I learned a lot about myself too. I feel absolutely awful for people who date high-functioning borderlines and never learn about it. At least with the ones who are low-functioning, you absolutely know something is deeply wrong with them…

People generally don't write glowing reviews of their exes, so forgive my skepticism of your and parent's anecdotes.

The event that ended the relationship was: I was talking to her nice (edit: male) roommate about politics or something at about midnight while she went to bed apparently in a good mood. Turns out that was unacceptable, and she came back out of her room 20 minutes later, started berating me for it while I was confused, escalated to shouting at me for an hour while I remained calm, and finally threatened to call the cops on me. I walked a couple miles home at 2 AM through a snowstorm, while she sent me 10 desperate text messages. I never talked to her again, though I spent months agonizing about it (to the point of panic attacks), because I felt guilty that she desperately needed help and I thought I might be able to help her through continuing to patiently and reliably engage with her (it didn’t seem like anyone else was around to help her), and I liked and respected her as a person, but decided I couldn’t take it for my own mental health.

We only dated for a relatively short time, but it took me a move across the country and a year to sort out my feelings and start dating again.

YMMV.

Re: What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist

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There's a good chance my brother suffers from borderline personality disorder. My therapist has explained the biggest issue about PDs: the disorders make a person extremely unlikely to seek out help, as (to put it poorly) they believe the problem exists with the people around them and not themselves. This means that very little is understood, medically, about the disorders and how to treat them effectively. The autho…

...oh brother. That types overviews describes, like, half my disorder arsenal.

Probably not a good idea, to self-diagnose online.

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